And same in the- there was the parlour.

Speaker: And you put a fairly big block in there. Interviewer 2: Mm-hm. Speaker: And that was in the parlour. Interviewer 2: Mm-hm. Speaker: So that pipe would go up there. Interviewer 2: And who s-- who sat in the parlour? Did you have time to sit in the parlour? Speaker: No, we didn't seem to use the parlour.

On Friday, the lads were hunting on my farm. So I go out behind the barn and a doe and a fawn come up through (laughs) and ah the fawn stopped in the lane so it was a patent fence so I shot it through the second and third rail. The space right through the top of the heart. One shot and it dropped dead. So I had it for my own meat.

Speaker: There was one- the only different one that I know of we call it the Bol-- Bolton fence. He put his pickets in a little different and- but other than that they were just- they were called a split rail or- or a patent fence. But they just put in a picket different and- Interviewer: So a patent is different from a split rail? Speaker: Same fence other than either some people call it a patent and some people call it split.

And a-- and then that was another memory, um, in one of the upstairs rooms that we weren't using because we didn't have that many children then, ah, in the fall, the room would be full of boards with inside out fox pelts.

And I remember one time my son asking me "Well how did you kill them so that you didn't ruin the pelts?" And what we did was, you caught the fox and then we had a- a s-- a building that the bottom level

Ah perhaps with the house, I remember when we only used the downstairs. The upstairs, one room was used for my father's grain and later on, I have an uncle who was in the fox business and he ah- he hung his pelts in one room (laughs). The house has changed quite a bit.

Oh, they're up to fifty these Holstein bull calves, eh? F-- for veal. So now that notion's kind-of petering out, they're back down to three cows now.

So he kind of petered out. And he- he's into construction now. But then (inc) hard times hit, you're glad to get any job. So this winter- this- early this spring, he was out of work, nothing to do so I phoned him up to see if he wanted to go clip sheep.

That cannot carry on, eh? Takes a lot of area to pasture all that many to carry on. So then he petered out with that. Back down to twenty sheep. Same age as I am. He's done to twenty or twenty-five sheep. This winter, calves are cheap, eh? Holstein bull calves are cheap.

There was the odd mud pout and then the spring, there was quite a- we got quite a few sucker out of there in the spring, yeah. And I don't care, they talk about their pickerel and their bass and-all-this but you get a sucker and clean it up well out of that cold water, I think it's just as good. Best as you'll get.

Interviewer: Is there a particular way of doing the ploughing? Do you go back and forth? Or do you go- Speaker: Y-- when you're- yes if you were doing that but at a ploughing match, there is a plot laid out for you with a picket on each end and then you've got to plough a certain width and you (sneezes) got to plough up against your neighbour and leave a respectable furrow. So there's a knack to it.

Speaker: And he was quite a guy. He used to make a lot of wine. Interviewer: Yeah? Speaker 2: Dandelion wine. Speaker: He could make wine out of most anything, I c-- think he- (laughing) he could have made it out of a- a picket (laughs) if he'd (inc) Interviewer: Yeah? Speaker: But he- he'd a dill-- or, back kitchen about the size of this thing here and he'd- lined with crocks. And he- dandelion wine and rhubarb wine and beet wine.

Speaker: There's at least four or five different styles of it. Interviewer: And do they all have different names, these styles? Speaker: There was one- the only different one that I know of we call it the Bol-- Bolton fence. He put his pickets in a little different and- but other than that they were just- they were called a split rail or- or a patent fence. But they just put in a picket different and- Interviewer: So a patent is different from a split rail?

Speaker: Just the black fence wire. It's ah, and you need an axe and a sledgehammer with you at all times. Interviewer: Mm-hm, mm-hm. Speaker: 'Cause you may have to split one. And you need what they call dummy pickets in order to hold up the first rail in order to get the pickets out. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Interviewer 2: Now is it dummy pickets? You take them out after? Speaker: You take them out, and then you just keep moving down- down. Interviewer: It's a fine art.

And, ah, "He was full of piss-and-vinegar!" … I haven't heard that one for- well, it's all right. That's not a bad word.

Speaker: We do the shows now, we do ah the- the big Toronto toy show that's ah our number one. And then ah some regional doll and bear shows we do, and actually I'm going to the ah regional plowing match on Friday and I'm going to set up there. Interviewer: And where's that being held? Speaker: It's at Hammond's farm where the international plowing match was ah five years ago.

Go and get a drink of water. Poke on doing something in a bit.

Dad said they used to camp over here and it took them two weeks to get the logs out from underneath the bridge here. Because they had to keep poking.

We kept them in the basement. But this was another thing that hap-- ah happened there, there didn't seem to be sump-pumps at the time but every spring there'd be a flood of water in the basement. ... And y-- you had- they had the potato-bin built way off the ah f-- floor bec-- to keep the potatoes. And I remember one time- as I tell you, there wasn't electricity and I was going down to get the potatoes. Had to go down these stairs and get over into this bin to get the potatoes ...