She was a more or less a child- ah a teenager. Her older sister and husband came with them so (inc) and ah I was looking at family tree a few years ago and I realized that that aunt of mine who came on the Meteor in nineteen-one, they came May, she had a baby the end of June. In nineteen-oh-one, she's either awfully brave or awfully stupid (laughs).

Interviewer 1: So then you went to university? Speaker: No, I went to Normal-School then. Interviewer 1: Normal-School? Speaker: Normal-School, that's where they teach you to be a teacher. Interviewer 2: Oh. Interviewer 1: Oh. Speaker: And the building's still standing in North-Bay if you want to see where it is, it's North-Bay-Normal-School. ... But in those days, there was a special school, Normal-School, and nobody knows what normal means. Interviewer 2: (Laughs) Speaker: And in fact, we were talking about that the other day, we did not know where- what normal did means.

Speaker: ... you guys think about the fact that there aren't O-A-Cs anymore? Do you- Interviewer: (inc) Speaker: Think it would have been a good thing? Interviewer: With T-D right now, because they've cut so many courses, I-think it doesn't make a difference. There's no point having an O-A-C like for a lot of grade thirteens, there's not much courses for them to take. Most of them just take co-ops.

Speaker: sort-of taught how to sort-of be ah more of a critical thinker and a skeptic. And that sort-of- that actually helped me in the big scheme of things, I think what he taught me in- we used to have a class called Science-and-Society which was an O-A-C class like a- like a- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: University academic course. Um I think what he taught me in that class was more valuable than what- everything else I learned in high-school because he just basically ah taught- taught people how to be skeptical.

Speaker: Um but I just didn't have that as- as well as the fact that I was just so concerned with other things like sports and whatnot so I wasn't really interested. And I remember him telling my dad that I shouldn't- "He shouldn't pursue mathematics um into O-A-C or into university." My dad came home and he's like pissed off right? Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: 'Cause he's like "No one's going to tell me my son is-" you-know, basically not smart enough to take math.

Speaker: We never hung out in high-school. Interviewer 2: Oh. Interviewer 1: (inc) Speaker: Ah, although I knew a lot of his friends- Interviewer 3: Mm-hm. Speaker: I didn't really know him. In grade-O-A-C- Interviewer 2: Mm-hm. Speaker: Oh wait, ah, yeah, in O-A-C, ah, I recognized him for the first time and I got my friend Cathleen, who was more friends with that group to find out about him for me.

Speaker: I made that decision. I stayed in res my first year. Interviewer: How was it? Speaker: Ah, it was fun (laughs)- Interviewer: (inc) Speaker: Um, I was in the double cohort so we had the grade twelves and the O-A-C's graduating at the same time- Interviewer: Yeah? Speaker: So there was twice the amount of people graduating. Interviewer: Wow- Speaker: (Laughs) So, um, that meant there were less rooms in residence. Interviewer: Wow.

Yeah. But ah then ah they complained about something that happened years ago and blamed me for it, so. Well it didn't- it wasn-- i-- they just wanted to pick holes in me, f-- far as I'm concerned, I got to be an old goat, you-know, that was in the road. That's what they- they wanted me out, that's all.

And ah my father, and he was an alchy too. And ah they were hustling and bustling around the house, the old man says "Let's go for a drink." So we went over Ma-and-Pa-Bruno's and he made the mistake of telling Ma and Pa that I was getting married the next day.

The one that didn't have the money those who were the workers. The one who had the money, they were- they're going to work. Oh man, the old man didn't give me money if I wanted.

I played ah- one wint-- a couple of winters I played old timers hockey. Until she got- she wouldn't come watch me no more.

It is for the younger people, like I said, for the people above like nineteen and twenty, all there is- is baseball and like old timers hockey type-thing but there's no like basketball, volleyball.

Speaker: Yeah. Valve replacement. Interviewer: Oh. Speaker: Yeah. Interviewer: Well you seem very fit. Speaker: (laughs) Well I'm just- I got one foot in the grave and the other on a banana skin, dear. Interviewer: (laughs). Speaker: I'm not in very good shape at all. No, I'm not in good shape. I keep going, that's all. Yeah.

So I ended up- I had to come back here and enroll back in school and go get the tonsils out and then when I healed up I took off for a little while back out west and then the National-Energy-Prog-- Program dried up all the jobs in the- ... The energy sector.

... basically back then you had b-- huge farms and when you were old enough you took your own farm, you took your life and boom. But he decided to go north. ... Actually he went out west for a while, then he went north and made his ah, you-know, his family up here.

... the dog just f-- wouldn't stop chasing the car so he stopped the car, brought the dog in. He was trying to get it used to being away from us. ... So the dog ended up going out west with us (laughs).

Speaker: ... it was pretty tight back then. I-mean, we had a two bedroom house and five kids and you-know it was- yeah. We were pretty close together. There wasn't much room for anybody to m-- move anything. We had a bird, we had a dog. Interviewer: Oh. Speaker 03: We went out west with ah- with all of us. There was five of us. And the bird and the dog had to go.

And as soon the dog had one moment to run, it got- (laughs) dog running around with a little dress on (laughs). ... Can imagine what the neighbours thought (laughs). But ah- yeah, in-- I-mean out west it was kind of great to have the dog around and it was just- oh, yeah, I'm definitely a dog person.

Interviewer: Who's this? Is this your daughter? Speaker: That- no that was a niece of ours- Interviewer: Oh isn't she cute. Speaker: From out west and she does- she- she loved- every time she would come home from a- oh ah, not Calgary- ... Speaker: Banff.

They had a good education except- well the boys are all good- good education, one's a flee a-- a freelance writer. And one out west, Raymond he's financial adviser for the Imperial-Bank-of-Canada.