And it used to be a small town when they had it called what the Main-Drag.

And a few along Sheppard like the Augden-Funeral-Home and some of the prop-- the Manse beside the church there and- and course the churches themselves have been there for quite some time.

Interviewer: And, um, what was I going to say? I don't remember. Oh yeah. I'm from Montreal, right, and so like, I-D is not necessarily a big problem. Speaker: I know, I know. I've been to Montreal many a time. Interviewer: Did they even bother carding you? Speaker: Ah, no. Interviewer: Yeah, it's-like, "Yeah, whatever." Speaker: Yeah, you-know what, yeah. Yeah I've been to Montreal a good number of times, we go partying there. Yeah, Montreal's a good place to party.

And of-course that meant much more freedom and study-hall so I read the comics and, you-know we chatted and I didn't do the studying I would have done if I'd been at home so I failed one subject, didn 't get my senior- matric 'cause back then it was senior-matriculation set by the province. Everybody- you could only graduate if you wrote that grade-thirteen exam and passed.

Anyways, stayed with them, and well I took night classes and uh, I finally got matric, but uh, uh well a certificate equal to matric it was. Uh, and actually it stayed me in good stead because later on in the army, I was put up for officer's training and you had to have matric so, I had to get that- that uh certificate from the government.

I had my junior matriculation and that's all that you went to- the only time you went and took grade-thirteen or senior matric is if you were going to university. And out of the class that I was in, at Runnymede, there would be about twenty of us and only two went to univesity. Very few people went to university.

Speaker: And out of the class that I was in, at Runnymede, there would be about twenty of us and only two went to univesity. Very few people went to university. Interviewer: And very few girls, right? Speaker: Well yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: And ah so it was strictly- junior matric was it. And you needed junior matric to get a decent job, but senior matric, as I say, the only people that ever got one were those who're planning to go on to university.

... the family needed um some assistance and right after that, I joined the Air-Force. And I know when I joined the Air-Force, fortunately it was getting to the point that they're getting a little hard-up for air crew. At one time, you had to have your senior-matric, or high-school graduation, to go be a pilot or navigator. And at this time, luckily, they ah gave me an aptitude-test and I passed that and they sent me to special schooling for about three months, I guess it was, to learn all the mathematics and everything else ...

... I didn't do the studying I would have done if I'd been at home so I failed one subject, didn't get my senior- matric 'cause back then it was senior-matriculation set by the province. Everybody- you could only graduate if you wrote that grade-thirteen exam and passed. And it wasn't at the school, it was down at the U-of-T as a matter of fact, in some great big gymnasium. Miles and miles of desks.

I still like (inc) and can still smell them. The smell in that subway. Yeah. But I went to Oakwood-Collegiate and got my senior matriculation and um- what else?

About that time, um wh-- see, what ah- yeah, I ah- I was old enough- ah, I was- oh, in fact, I- I quit- I was finished with school, Runnymede-Collegiate. I had my junior matriculation and that's all that you went to- the only time you went and took grade-thirteen or senior matric is if you were going to university. And out of the class that I was in, at Runnymede, there would be about twenty of us and only two went to university.

... there's all this prevalence now of guns and- and hard drugs and stuff- like-that. So that's- that's a really big difference um that I've seen myself, you- know. Like I say, I mean, the worst thing was someone brings in a mickey of booze or a joint or two when I was in high-school. Couple of fist-fights. I- I don't ever think I heard of a stabbing but I mean, I knew that every now and then people would have a knife on them or something like that.

Interviewer: I think it must be the last place in Toronto that's like that. Speaker: Still like that, yeah. Well, they had a few. There was one called the Shoe-box which was at Parliament. And that, you would buy, you-know- or you would go in with your own Mickey and you'd pay a couple of bucks for the- the mix, kind-of-thing. But that was- but the Matador- the reason I- well, that was the west-end.

I guess there was a boys' basketball. I don 't know. 'Cause when they were in the gym we weren 't allowed in and when we were in the gym they didn 't come in. We had to wear those silly looking middies and bloomers.

Well, ah, a lot of the kids wore tunics an-- and they called them middies, it was the white- white top and ah like a jumper sort-of-thing, a navy top- it was like a school uniform some kids would wear...

... then um the second year and third year, I actually lived at Silent-Lake-Provincial-Park ... they had um M-N-R had a staff-house there where they would put all the the parks' staff and they also took some of their students, if their students didn't have suitable accommodation, and it was really difficult to sometimes to commute back and forth ...

... we stayed there ... but we actually we would leave there in the morning and up to Band-- Bancroff office pick up our trucks- oh well actually sometimes we were actually allowed to take the trucks down with us because we were working there and we were parking in an M-N-R facility. They probably don't do that now but they let us take the trucks home ... um and then we would get our gear, refresh any of the chemical kits that we needed 'cause we were doing some of the water chemistry as well ...

I went, but I went uh to a high-school. This was a high-school trai-- this is where you went for high-school training. And ... this is before O-I-S-E was constructed. But U-T-S was built I think as a place for- sort-of as a model school where- where there would be- they could train teachers as well but... I only actually taught one- I taught the students there for one week but most of my training was out in the- in the schools of Toronto. Then I uh- so I graduated from there I- we- we

... she took me to the doctor and he said "Well have you been uh," I think it was buckwheat they were thrashing, and I was on the thr-- in the mower- mo-- mow where they used to throw the straw, and it was an infection from the buckwheat straw. And they gave mother stuff she had to put in my eyes, particularly the one eye, but the other one had a couple, and it was closed tight, you-know?

Speaker 1: ...but sort-of recycle them, and um, put new feed in and stuff-like-that, and she has to do that for all of the horses, and then Speaker 2: Muck out Speaker 1: Yeah, she has- cl-- yeah muck out and then she has to take out Interviewer: Muck out? Speaker 1: Yeah, just like take all the pooh.