Speaker: Yes, up above it was where they went. Well up above it would- would be- would be mows and for the (inc) hay you-know? For the cattle. Interviewer: What was that for the- something? Speaker: We call them mows. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: That- that we- Interviewer: What were they? Speaker: We'd have the s-- we'd have the threshing mill and all the straw and then they unchaffed it out in there.

Interviewer: I see. I think I understand now. So there was the byre underneath, then the barn, which had the mows. Speaker: Mm-hm. Interviewer: And then up above that was the loft. Speaker: Yes, that's it.

Speaker: And the haymows where we kept the hay. And we- Interviewer: The hay- what was that? Speaker: The- the hay. Interviewer: Yes, you- but you kept that in the-? Speaker: Ah, we put it in those big mows in the barn, you-know. Interviewer: Oh yes. Yes.

Interviewer: What about when you, ah, ah, the- the- put them near the- near the barn or something? Is it- did you put them in a bigger- bigger pile there, or? Speaker: Piled it all in a mow. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Speaker: Half the size of the barn. You-know, tramp it in. Interviewer: Which? Speaker: You'd tramp it in with your feet. Get much in. But, ah, you don't throw it in with the fork, no, they'd take it in with the hay fork.

Speaker: Whenever you want that hay to drop, just pull the little tripper open, it'll drop right down on the mow. Interviewer: How- ah, what kind of a barn did your father have? Speaker: Well, there's a driveway in the middle, so you don't suddenly have to drag your hay or stuff off on one end. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Speaker: Then, do-you-see, if you fill the two mows, you can also fill out the, ah- fill the middle too if you want to-

Interviewer: Did you have a second storey? Speaker: Yes, if you have a door open in the end, do-you-see, you can drop it on the floor instead of in the mow. And then, ah, take it out the same way if you want to.

Speaker: The first one we had here was all logs. And a barn floor in it, and mows on both sides you-see. And then the shed (inc) but they were all burnt. And then we put up these- put up these frame ones. Interviewer: Mm-hm. What do you mean the mows on both sides? Speaker: Well you- you ah drove in in the centre and you put it into one mow and into the other mow. That was the way you- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: You had to get inside the barn you-know. That's the only way- you had to have a thrower so's you could push it in both mows. and- Interviewer: Was it two ah- two stories?

Speaker: W-- We put it- we had a- a stable and a loft- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: The loft was above and you put up a hand, you-know? Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: You'd fork it up to the loft and somebody would stack it back and spread it back in the mow. Interviewer: Yes. This was wild hay. Speaker: Wild hay, yeah. Interviewer: Yes. Speaker: Beaver w-- what they call beaver hay.

Interviewer: What do you call a- a cow that ah- that doesn't have any horns? Speaker: Mulio, a muley cow.

Interviewer: Um, what did they used to call the ah- a cow that didn't have any horns? Speaker: Muley (laughs). Muley (laughs).

Interviewer: Mm-hm. Your- your cows had ah horns? Speaker: Oh yes. They had big long horns. Interviewer: What do you call a- a cow that ah- that doesn't have any horns? Speaker: Mulio, a muley cow. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: Ah a mule- there's lots of cows born witho- without horns altogether even. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: And ah but ah our cattle was Ayreshires and- and Durhams, and Holsteins, they all had the horns, great big horns.

Interviewer: What would you call the horse on the left, if you were driving a team? Speaker: Ah, that'd be the nye-horse. Interviewer: And the one on the right? Speaker: Naff-horse.

Well, the threshing mill, it took about ah, fifteen, twelve-fifteen, we usually had quite a few men, sometimes seventeen or eighteen, because Dad neighboured with quite a few other farmers around, and he didn't want to be scarce of help.

Speaker: And then cars come on the road. Interviewer: Oh yeah. Speaker: We wanted to- we never had no light on buggies.

Speaker: In silos. Yeah. Interviewer: Yes, did you have one of those on your farm? Speaker: N-- no, we never had- no. No.

Interviewer: When, ah, were you born? Speaker: Nineteen-one. Interviewer: Mm-hm. And you ah told me I think that you had a brother. Speaker: Yes. Interviewer: Older or younger? Speaker: Younger, three years younger than I was. Interviewer: Born in nineteen-four. Speaker: Four, yes.

Speaker: Some of them went to teachers, you-know, and went to- some of them went to, um, (inc)-School. If they had to go to (inc)-School in Renfrew they'd be out I think in- in six months there. But ah, for the normal school they'd have to go a whole year. And then be out the next year for a teacher, do-you-see.

Speaker: They'd be Ottawa-Valley girls, you-know. Interviewer: Mm-hm. But not the immediate neighbourhood. Speaker: No not. Interviewer: Where would those girls get their training? Speaker: Ottawa, the Normal- it was just called the Normal-School then. Interviewer: Mm-hm. There was some- a kind of school in Renfrew that trained teachers. Speaker: Yes, a model school. Interviewer: Yes, might some of- Speaker: That was a third-class teacher.

Interviewer: What would you call the horse on the left, if you were driving a team? Speaker: Ah, that'd be the nye-horse. Interviewer: And the one on the right? Speaker: Naff-horse.

Oh well I see the neighbours oftener than I do the- my f-- family.