Interviewer: So how'd you and meet your husband meet anyways? Speaker: Um he went to R-M and I went to O'Gorman, and for his final year, because there was a certain course that O'Gorman had, he came over. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: For um my grade twelve year and his O-A-C year. And so, we met up through friends, but he insists that we met the summer before at one of the Guinness-Book-of-World-Record, Macarena-street-dance thing.

Grade-seven and eight. Then ah I went to O'Gorman ah high-school ah from grades-nine to actually O-A-C which was the first- we were the first group that went through O-A-C.

Speaker: ... you guys think about the fact that there aren't O-A-Cs anymore? Do you- Interviewer: (inc) Speaker: Think it would have been a good thing? Interviewer: With T-D right now, because they've cut so many courses, I-think it doesn't make a difference. There's no point having an O-A-C like for a lot of grade thirteens, there's not much courses for them to take. Most of them just take co-ops.

Speaker: And wondered if I would like to go to a hockey game, whatever. I said, "Oh that would be nice." So Shauna and Ben-Timothy were- were- Jack- he- his nickname was Jack. They went to O-A-C together. And they were friends here you-see? So they came up to call for me, when I opened the door and saw this good-looking man with a raccoon coat and-all-that. "God, who are you?" (Laughs)

Speaker: sort-of taught how to sort-of be ah more of a critical thinker and a skeptic. And that sort-of- that actually helped me in the big scheme of things, I think what he taught me in- we used to have a class called Science-and-Society which was an O-A-C class like a- like a- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: University academic course. Um I think what he taught me in that class was more valuable than what- everything else I learned in high-school because he just basically ah taught- taught people how to be skeptical.

Speaker: Um but I just didn't have that as- as well as the fact that I was just so concerned with other things like sports and whatnot so I wasn't really interested. And I remember him telling my dad that I shouldn't- "He shouldn't pursue mathematics um into O-A-C or into university." My dad came home and he's like pissed off right? Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: 'Cause he's like "No one's going to tell me my son is-" you-know, basically not smart enough to take math.

Speaker: We never hung out in high-school. Interviewer 2: Oh. Interviewer 1: (inc) Speaker: Ah, although I knew a lot of his friends- Interviewer 3: Mm-hm. Speaker: I didn't really know him. In grade-O-A-C- Interviewer 2: Mm-hm. Speaker: Oh wait, ah, yeah, in O-A-C, ah, I recognized him for the first time and I got my friend Cathleen, who was more friends with that group to find out about him for me.

Speaker: I made that decision. I stayed in res my first year. Interviewer: How was it? Speaker: Ah, it was fun (laughs)- Interviewer: (inc) Speaker: Um, I was in the double cohort so we had the grade twelves and the O-A-C's graduating at the same time- Interviewer: Yeah? Speaker: So there was twice the amount of people graduating. Interviewer: Wow- Speaker: (Laughs) So, um, that meant there were less rooms in residence. Interviewer: Wow.

... all grew up together for so long that you kind of cross paths and end up at the same things like you end up at the same parties or the same- on the same teams and everyone melds, you-know? And by the time you're in grade-twelve and- or O-A-C or- we were the last year that had O-A-C and by the time you're there, like, nobody gives a shit anymore and there's only so many people left to hang out with 'cause some have dropped out, some have gone to college already and some have moved away ...

Interviewer: How was it to be the last grade thirteen? That must have been so- Speaker: Pain in the fucking ass (laughs)! Interviewer: (Laughs) Speaker: Oh my God, because I ended up graduating from grade twelve even though I went to O-A-C because of it and then they said it didn't matter, it didn't make a difference. I took all advanced classes, what they called it then, it's all different now, but I took advanced classes and did my O-A-C and now I guess they would call it graduate with university level. So it was almost like taking an extra year just because in a way, but you need a certain amount of grade like courses, you need a certain amount of credits to graduate at all ...

...we had a horse went missing, and not for long, just for maybe a day or so and we were looking for it and we couldn't find it and I said, "Let's go and look in the lake." And they all thought that I was off my rocker. So we went and looked in the lake and the horse had waded in to get a drink and I guess got in there and got panicked and- and he was there. He was standing up on a- type of a old stumps.

But there was one boy I- I- I gave the strap to oftener than I did another over at Queen-Mary.

Oh well I see the neighbours oftener than I do the- my f-- family.

I've been to Carlton-Place maybe oftener.

Yeah. But ah then ah they complained about something that happened years ago and blamed me for it, so. Well it didn't- it wasn-- i-- they just wanted to pick holes in me, f-- far as I'm concerned, I got to be an old goat, you-know, that was in the road. That's what they- they wanted me out, that's all.

Speaker: I was his campaign manager when he ran federally in nineteen-sixty. Interviewer: Wow. Speaker: And Tomlinson ran. Interviewer: Oh. Speaker: Yeah yeah. Interviewer: Well if- if they're any old- Speaker: Old goats (laughs). Inteviewer: Goats. (inc) Speaker: (Laughs) Oops.

Just to say "Hi." Steal- steal some beer from your old man and awake for the whole night.

No. I didn 't 'cause I know if I ever got brought home by the cop my old man would hoof me in the ass.

I-mean there was a lot of you-know don 't forget you-know back then forty-five years ago you had a lot of people like people that came over from other countries and-stuff. You-know referred as honkies back in those days right? So you-know they 'd be had a hard time now like Italians and you-know the Maltese and-whatever. They came here they would al-- they were like you-know "They 're all honkies". I mean my father you-know how many times my father 's thrown guy- he 'd throw a guy- guy from Shell-Home- Comfort about your size guy you-know? He threw him out on his head he called him- my- my old man a honkie right?

But yeah they got to come from something that is just a- just a disaster in their life because that disaster- I 've never had a disaster in my life. Everything 's been easy for me. Compared to my old man? I don 't have bombs dropping on my head. Do-you-know-what-I-mean? I never had three kids. I didn 't have to work go w-- welding to feed- no I didn 't have that.