Interviewer: That's the people who go underground? Speaker: Yeah. Interviewer: Yeah wow. Speaker: And- Interviewer: Wow. Spinoffs? Speaker: Spinoffs. Like ah ah spinoffs being, you-know for instance Gillivan, they're an electrical-supplier so…

So anyway, he said to me, um "Please come and see me." And I thought "Oh God. What have I done now?" So I learned German from um an Irish spinster lady and he said to me- he said "You're from um East-York-Collegiate aren't you?" And I said "Yes." He said "You had Fraulein Noble, didn't you?" And I said "Yes. How do you know that?" And he said, "'Cause you say, "Icken-micken-dick," instead of "ich-mich- and-dich."

Both of them were killed and sh-- being the only child, she went to live with ah an aunt who was a spinster and ah I-guess she found after a time that raising a child was just out of her league.

And she had, I think, three sisters. And herself included, they were all spinsters.

We had an aunt. She was a bachelor, not a bachelor, a spinster.

I had a hell of a job to hit the ball, but if I ever did, I would just take off, and then- then I'd have to lift up some of my fellow players that were trying to get home, because they were spraddled with their skis like this here.

There was- there have been like two sort of incidents like that, and it was basically about the same thing. But um, we have like little squabbles I guess. Like, he'll do something that like hurts my feelings. And it's like, he doesn't even realize. And I'm- so I'm kind-of pissed off.

Yeah. Everything is for, for them and for thems-- yes, Canada has a reputation of um, um, we get compliments of, in Toronto how well the um, city, how the nationalities have blended. I mean, I 'm sure there 's squabbles we don 't know about but by-and-large the communities, they do live together.

Oh yeah. You-know, I always say- as I say, there were four brothers of us, and we used to always say, "First out, best dressed," 'cause most of our- well between my oldest brother and my youngest, there was only seven years different, and you-know, when we got- you-know, and- we- we could wear one another's shoes or jackets or- but there was always a squabble, you-know, 'cause if you went to school earlier and you had your brother Tom's jacket on and he wanted to show off for this, he 'd be- he 'd be mad at you...

Speaker: As far as you-know violence was limited to children's squabbles and- Interviewer: Sure Speaker: And the odd driver was just driving a little too fast through the- the ball-hockey games.

No it was always who's gonna do the washing of the dishes, who's gonna dry. And my job on Saturdays was to dust the furniture, um. I guess we had little squabbles, but nothing. No.

Pretty well I think (coughs) for the most part yeah. I mean we had occasional flare-ups and ah certainly when we were kids we had squabbles and-so-on, but ah but I think for the most part we did.

Any argument I remember. Mm none offhand. We just- stupid little squabbles that ah you-know those things that we get at- we'd fight over a toy or um we used to gang up a lot on each other.

And they still are. I'm not saying we're all perfect or we never have squabbles or disagreements and- we don't all vote for the same party (laughs). And we really don't care, you-know, and that's the way it should be.

Speaker: I was out for vengeance. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: But yeah, just little squabbles like brothers or- Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: I guess brothers have 'cause that's basically what we were.

Oh yes, oh yes. Uh-huh. Well, my sister and I used to (laughs) have little- little squabbles but (laughs) she's here, she's upstairs and...

They banned her from playing hockey down there. But, yeah I can't think of any bad things that happen like, everyb-- you had your little squabbles...

No. Ten cents a day. That's what they used to get, ten cents a day and three square meals. The guy that turned the crank, that was the power- the power of the machine. He got ten cents a day and three square meals and the other guy over here that you can run the machine got ten cents a sheep.

And ah, that's when I realized that I was a drunk and a druggie, so I came back home and I moved back to Toronto where we bought a house with my brother and of course, Karen came to live with my brother. And Jessica would come around once-in-a-while you-know, and ah she still looked like a squarehead to me.

So we get there and we look at each other. And ah we said about three words to each other. She was a- she looked like a squarehead to me tha-- that- that- never left puberty. And she must have thought I was some retired, old- with my hair down, look like some person- gorilla you'd never bring back.