Interviewer: And how do you feel about double cohort and grade thirteen being over and Speaker: I don't know um, they already started the double cohort right? Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Um, well we're the only cla-- the g-- country or province or that had it so I think it was bound to happen. It was just unfortunate for the students who got trapped in the-

Speaker: ... I obviously didn't get into the downtown campus right? For that couple of percent. Interviewer: Yeah sheer numbers right? Speaker: Well yeah because of the double-cohort right two grades going- whereas you-know in previous years I'm sure I would've gotten accepted. Interviewer: Right. What do you feel about them stopping grade-thirteen? What do you think of that? Speaker: I'm just a little upset that you-know it's my year you-know ...

Speaker: I made that decision. I stayed in res my first year. Interviewer: How was it? Speaker: Ah, it was fun (laughs)- Interviewer: (inc) Speaker: Um, I was in the double cohort so we had the grade twelves and the O-A-C's graduating at the same time- Interviewer: Yeah? Speaker: So there was twice the amount of people graduating. Interviewer: Wow- Speaker: (Laughs) So, um, that meant there were less rooms in residence.

... but you need a certain amount of grade like courses, you need a certain amount of credits to graduate at all and I just n-- ended up being in that category because it was so messed up. And there was so many of us, double-cohort people, trying to get into school. I just- I didn't bother trying to get into school. One- partly because of the double-cohort and people were scarring the pants off me being like, "You're not going to get into the school you want 'cause you're competing with thousands and thousands more people than you were before."

Speaker: And there used to be a top up on them like to keep the sun off you. We call that a carriage here. And ah then they had a ah just a buggy with- like an open buggy. They call that a- a- a- a- buggy too, or a double buggy. Yeah like there was a seat in seat in the back and seat in the front. You could make a buggy out of it if you wanted, but there just to- you could go to town take it just to town or-anything-like-that.

No. We, ah, had a nice supper up there, and a neighbour man brought us double buggy, and, ah, my brothers, well they had a buggy load of their own, do-you-see. Ah, and they all come to the, ah, station and brought us at about twelve-o'-clock at night. And we got on the train there, and we went up to, ah, Goodland.

Then we had the ah, wagon. I guess that's just the buggy and the wagon. We had a couple of buggies, we got another one from a sale or something and we had it. Interviewer: Um, a buggy that had more than one seat would have a special name, would it? Speaker: Double buggy. Interviewer: Oh yes? Speaker: Sometimes they'd call them the express, I don't know whether that was maybe just a local way of saying it. But double buggy was usually two seats.

Interviewer: Okay, give me your drink. Give me your beer. Speaker: Fuck off! Interviewer: No give it. What am I doing right now? Speaker: Double-fisting it. Interviewer: That's right! They don't have that down there.

And this is what ah the way she looked, you-know-what-I-mean? Cripes, you'd meet her down street and she'd be a- she'd have a long hou-- she'd have a house coat on and all paint and fastened up and her face would be all paint and she'd never even bother washing before she came

Speaker 1: But that's they had the Holloway-Street Church and Bridge-Street Church. Speaker 2: And the little one down street.

I played shortstop. The final game was against Galt and Guelph. In those early times, they used to close- close the town up for the baseball, ever played baseball, everything closed down street, stores and everything else to go to the ball game.

But anymore that doesn't necessarily the- I-mean it- it still exists and hopefully we've instilled it in- in our kids, but there's a lot out there that don't or haven't and ah you-know the- you just go down street and some of the things that you- you see how- how people dress and how they talk out in- I-mean cursing and...

But you- you do hear that a lot. Ah one thing I used to hear is- like this is old Belleville people, and I- I'm not really old Belleville 'cause I just grew up here but people who- you-know generations you-know- I see my wife's here cleaning off the walk, that's nice. Um, what was I gonna say, oh down street. If they're gonna go downtown they say, "I'm gonna go down street."

They used ploughs. And, ah, ah, at the- the very first, all I had was ploughs and a drag harrow. Just drew by horses.

Speaker: Well, I guess, ah, they're- where they- they ploughed it out of, they called that the furrow and ah, I know- I don't know what else we'd say. Interviewer: Yeah. And then you said you used a- a harrow drag next? Speaker: Yes, just a drag harrow. Interviewer: A drag harrow. Speaker: Drag harrow. Interviewer: Sorry, I got the- (laughs) I didn't know that. And what would that do? Speaker: Well that levelled, you see. ... It was just- ah, the harrow, it had teeth. ... Ah, it was an iron affair. Well, in fact there was a- the very first there was- was a sheet of pins roll down through a wooden- ah, wood. And, ah, made- but the- the drag harrow, it had teeth on both- that'd be six inches long.

Speaker: A rail fence is we used to call them, but then there was the rail fence, they made them into the crab fence or the shed fence, or then there was another one they called the Draper fence around here. How it got the name of Draper, because there was a Draper man that started to build it. And it went by the name of Draper-Fence. Yeah. Interviewer: And what was that like? Speaker: Well, it was- it was like this you-see? And then there was rings down here and there was ring- ring up here on top of it, just like that. Oh there's lots of them through the country.

And- and kids, they weren't told to watch out for the cars, they would watch out for the horses and drays.

Speaker: Big work horses, yeah and these drays they would ah carry- Interviewer: What's a dray? Speaker: A dray would- ah it's a flat wagon and ah they would put the stuff on there and ah they would take stuff to the station or from the station to the stores and ah anything that needed to carted or conveyed would be taken with a truck now is taken by that.

Oh we were- well we were here. I remember when they- they dredged out the- the lake like for the big boats to go (inc) and um, I was living here then. (coughs) Sorry. 'bout, say about forty-five years ago?

Oh our parents must have been able to dredge up enough pennies to get them for us because Mary- Mary of course was much richer than I, and she had many many books, we both read being only children.