Oh golly, yes, I can remember the old house was pretty cold upstairs.

Oh golly, yeah. Just keep squeezing.

Oh golly, yeah. That was something.

Oh golly ah, it was nice, it was good.

Oh golly, if it's not processed nice or (inc) but our field is broke up this year.

Oh golly, would he ever. Yeah, them horses was his living.

Oh golly, yeah you'd have to take it back and get some more.

Oh he was a nice fellow, oh golly.

Used to walk out there and golly you could just hear them hissing eh?

But by golly, I taught the class when it came to the exams.

And Joe was kind-of a drole guy and he says "By golly," he said "That's right! We had over a hundred years!"

Nope just the whole- I always wanted to go to Europe and being something of a snob I thought, "What the heck?" So I- since I 'd been working since I was thirteen, and had that- had found out the year previous that my father was to pay for my education, I had twelve-hundred or so dollars which back in those days was a goodly chunk of change. So I went for six weeks, two months, something like that.

Interviewer: And that would be a goodly walk. Speaker: Oh it was a goodly walk. But then, by the time we were ready to go, some of the bigger boys would have the driver's license so we would walk down 'til we hit some of them and get rides and- Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Some of them would help, get us home.

with a little more judgment, and you-know you're able to have more of a conversation with them and yeah. Interviewer: Why were they- why did they seem so scary? Speaker: I don't know, I guess because I was a brand new teacher, and you-know they were just like big goomers. They were big and- and I- and- and see I did my- my bachelor of Ed. in primary, so I never really had any experience with you-know, older students.

... see we had three divisions in the school if-you-like. There was the academic, the commercial and the technical students. Technical and commercial ended at ah grade-twelve. The other students could graduate at twelve but if they wanted to go on to university, they usually continued on to grade-thirteen academic.

Interviewer: So how many years would it take you to get a- Speaker: Well it would take you, the same as it does now, three years for a general Arts degree, four years for an Honours degree, plus one year at a college-of-Ed or if you taught elementary school, ah grade-thirteen and one year at normal school. Now grade-thirteen gave you a better teaching certificate for elementary purposes than if you only completed grade-twelve. It was called a first-class certificate. If you ah just had grade twelve and went to normal school for a year then you were on what was called a second-class certificate.

Interviewer: Which system do you prefer? Speaker: I prefer the one where there is some rigidity. Where there is some standard. Interviewer: Did you have the same set-up with exams and-things-like-that? Speaker: We had exams at Christmas, Easter and June and of-course there were departmentals to be tried in grade-thirteen which were standardized exams tried by the whole province, marked in Toronto, and ah you either succeeded or failed ah on those exams. Term work may have played a small part in your mark at Christmas and Easter but it had no part in the departmental exam.

I went to high-school in Colbourne, Ontario. My father and mother, at that time living in the village of Smith-Field just west of Brighton. I took the senior matriculation or now known as grade thirteen in the Napanee-Collegiate. My father at that time was in Napanee, so when I came back as Judge in nineteen-forty-six.

I was making my little speech in grade twelve once and he got up and said, "Miss-Miles, I am inviting you to my graduation party." We he was in grade thirteen all through medicine, sure enough I had been invited to his graduation party, whose names I can not recollect just now. He is a doctor.

Now out here is you're smart enough you can fiddle around so that you get all your subjects in in belong to grades nine and ten. Now all a grade thirteen certificate means, it is a, it's a statement that you put in five years in school that's all it is. Not allowed to say it to say that he's a devil in classrooms, he skips classes and things like that, you're not to say one word ...