...I enjoyed washing people's hair and styling and stuff-like-that and um, but to be totally responsible for someone else 's ah you-know image, I- it didn 't jive with me anymore.

No, I never did no- 'cause I- like I- I- again I would be in the site office, and, um- the only time I really got out on the site was if- if something didn't jive- if somebody was ordering parts and- you-know- parts that were (inc), or- you-know, or- or ah- I'd want to know why- why you-know drill bit's not lasting as long, so I 'd go and watch them

... and um their bass player has been just sort-of doing a lot of jobbing, just like playing random jobs, like s-- like just playing in- in bands with songwriters and all kinds of stuff like that.

Speaker: Um and- and did three semesters there and then actually s-- jobbed out. I had a j-- I had- was offered a job in my field. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: So I didn't go back to school for my last semester. I thought I'm going to learn more on the job and- Interviewer: Mm. Speaker: Get paid for it than- um-

Interviewer: Then where did you go? Speaker: Well I went to other camps then after I knew how to work, you might say, real hard. And I had no problem at all. I jobbed on my own, I took my own horses and I- I contracted for other jobbers and- for a couple of years, and then I got a chance to go in on my own. And I worked for myself and I had an easy life then.

Um and- and did three semesters there and then actually s-- jobbed out. I had a j-- I had- was offered a job in my field. <7> Mm-hm. <060> So I didn't go back to school for my last semester.

Well I went to other camps then after I knew how to work, you might say, real hard. And I had no problem at all. I jobbed on my own, I took my own horses and I- I contracted for other jobbers and- for a couple of years, and then I got a chance to go in on my own. And I worked for myself and I had an easy life then.

Interviewer: Then where did you go? Speaker: Well I went to other camps then after I knew how to work, you might say, real hard. And I had no problem at all. I jobbed on my own, I took my own horses and I- I contracted for other jobbers and- for a couple of years, and then I got a chance to go in on my own. And I worked for myself and I had an easy life then.

... they have all the machinery where you can take a piece of mineral and ah cut it, grind it down ah polish it and then you could put it in to something- now these- the- no, this one is this is just cheapy-jobby, this one here. This (inc).

I was a naïve kid. And so that was very interesting. But they were all good to me. They were all very good to me. And I- I got the 'joe-jobs'. I was the junior guy on the crew, so I 'd get the joe-jobs. And so he took me back the next year, much to my surprise, and I got a raise to sixty-six cents an-hour.

He went to Canadore and Nipissing to get a- um accountant's and then he never even used that. Um because to start out at an accountant's office back then is kind-of like your Joe♥ Job, you're probably making minimum wage and work your way up whereas Dominion at that time I-think was like thirteen dollars an hour which was good you-know and then um he got on casual at the jail and then eventually worked into full-time for him.

Speaker: They um- and usually, like for the evening meals, the uh- they could go to work and they'd start a meal and you'd wonder "Well, what are they going to have tonight?" First thing they'd have a big Johnny cake- Interviewer: Oh, yes. Speaker: And the big- couple of big pans of tea biscuits and uh, that would all be done in the matter of about ten min-- fifteen minutes, you-know it's- it's why they say- the older women, they can make up a meal well- well the uh-

Speaker: ... we usually would have uh, maybe cold pork for supper and um, then dessert, mother made a lot of cakes we always had dessert. She would make a white cake or a johnny-cake- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: Or a scone or-something-like-that.

Oh yes. Oh they'd shove it up their rears. And the other thing was a common practice underground. You-see the- the crap-boxes the guys had to go- they didn't have washrooms or Johnny-on-the-spot so they had (inc) boxes that they used for- for crapping. You-know the guy had to go to the bathroom. Well the guy that take the high grade ore, they find it, shove it in there and then when they brought it up to surface, they'd just take it...

I just- I just find the frustrating things is- and I 've gotten to the point right now where I really don 't care, because it 's kind-of like they 're people there who are obviously getting their jollies from having a power-trip and fine if that 's what makes them happy, then go right ahead

Between Greenwood and Coxwell-station is the closest ah between two- two stations, so for- you-know, to get our jollies, whatever, I mean, the subway would go and then we 'd hop down and we 'd try and sprint from Greenwood to Coxwell before the next train came.

Yeah, there's people that drive around and for example they'll take pictures of old, um, ah, theatre markees, 'kay, the theatres that were built back in the twenties and thirties 'cause they were all different and- and people will drive around purposely- they- they get their jollies out of just seeing these old theatres and I- I met a guy like that.

Well I went on and got my first class certificate. A lot of them at that time are just getting your second class. And I went ah another two years. It was then ah and got my first class and I took the matric as well as the teacher's. And so ah I- I took everything they asks me to take because I thought someday I might want this and I might want that and I didn't know just what I was going to do altogether and so I took ah junior and senior matric and junior and senior teacher's- normal so-

I attended Queen-Victoria-School. And I- and I to-- and then ah Queen-Victoria-High-School was above Queen-Victoria's- ah Public-School, at that time, and then I went to Queen-Victoria-High-School and then I went ah- I got my ah- ah matric and ah- and seni-- ah junior and senior matric and-so-on there and then ah I went to faculty in Toronto and came back and started to Queen-Victoria-School to teach.

About that time, um wh-- see, what ah- yeah, I ah- I was old enough- ah, I was- oh, in fact, I- I quit- I was finished with school, Runnymede-Collegiate. I had my junior matriculation and that's all that you went to- the only time you went and took grade-thirteen or senior matric is if you were going to university. And out of the class that I was in, at Runnymede, there would be about twenty of us and only two went to university.