Uh, well, we built a house on the corner of ah William and Caroline, up from ah ah, the Church. Kitty-corner from the separate school, it's a brick home up there right on ah ah let's see, the northwest corner of William and Caroline.

Yeah she's run it (inc). And they used to have like over like in this field, like kitty-corner to here um they had two diamonds or one because they- they didn't have enough and they- they used to paint like footsteps on the pavement- like walking with it- they called it the cow-patty-pen or-something Or no.

Ah that was next, that was cl--, I think it was right next to the convenient store that ah, that sort of faces the high-way, the entrance you-know? And ah, sort of kitty-corner from that, no-- I guess it's not kitty-corner, it was a bit of a weird intersection. There was the grocery store, um, you-know, a-- across from that I- I- I- I think, I can't remember, I think it was the Loeb.

Anyhow, I- after this one meeting, I met him at the street. In fact it was kitty-corner from (inc) City Hall and he called me over. I was going by and I said, "Hi, how are you doing?" and so on...

Speaker: Oh awesome. And if you look closely you can see five galloping cows in sort of kitty-corner down the pond.

Well, there was seven in our house, kitty-corner was the Myers, they were about six, and across the road was the Watsons, there was one boy there. But w-- we- we had a group of people there on that corner and we played all kinds of games.

And ah Joe- because he worked for Boris was going to do the excavating for the septic system, 'cause there wasn't a water or sewers then. And ah they got so muddy that they couldn't put the septic tank in so we were kitty-corner across the street from it and all winter I could look over the house and oh it was all finished inside and we couldn't move in (laughs).

And un-- ah we- as I told you we lived in this old house. And it belonged to Preston-Mackenzie. He lived four doors up from where we were and we p-- and I know Jake paid him six-dollars a month's rent (laughs). And a- a kitty-corner from us like on the corner of- of the (inc) and Main there was a- an inn called the Wayside-Inn.

Which we were not suppose to go into and- and ah- and in the front he sold tobacco, all kinds of tobacco and other things-like-that. And then across the street, kitty-corner was the O-Brian-Theatre where we would occasionally go to- for a treat to see a movie.

It was shawed with rubber pads and I got some- no I didn't even have saddle bags, did I? No, I had a just a knapsack and ah I went down to Kingston and crossed over. Well, all the way down um you-see that was the early days of radio so they couldn't do too much except to say I was lost so for one night my sister was beside herself.

So, he went into my knapsack and took something out to lure me away as I were right. And um, well, I- I ran up to him and kicked him in the butt. Um, and then he- he stumbled away um gripping his like um, his- his tailbone.

Speaker: So I would run to school every day, and ah- I don't know what would make me wanna do that but I did- I remember in grade-four I ran to school everyday. Interviewer: With your knapsack on? Speaker: Well, we didn't really have knapsacks because we didn't take stuff home- Like it wasn't- our- our curriculum was not the same as what it is now.

Speaker: Yeah, now I mean Mickey's got a knapsack and he bring homework- every home every night. And he's been doing it for- probably s-- Well he's been doing it since kindergarten. Interviewer: Yeah, I- I brought a knapsack home but I didn't do- Speaker: We- Now we didn't stay at school for lunch either though.

... we were talking about what it would be like to go to Europe and the people who put on their knapsacks that they're Canadian because you just have to say- if you say, "Hi I'd like directions" you're an American 'cause we sound like Americans.

Six in the morning, this guy hops in the truck, starts it and goes. Normally, you start a car, you sit there for a minute or so. Well here we were, throwing things off the back of the truck as it was going down the street. Knapsacks, you-know, there's a sleeping bag, pulling your pants on, and then finally you hop off. (laughter)

Interviewer: Um, I think Pack-sack, if you've ever referred to your school bag as your pack-sack. Speaker: Pack-sack, yeah. Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Interviewer: I-mean that's something that like, people in Southern-Ontario wouldn't really, like- they would think (inc) Speaker: Maybe knapsack. Interviewer: Yeah, yeah.

Interviewer: Packsack is definitely a Northern-Ontario slang. Speaker: Why, what do they call it down there? Interviewer: It's back-pack. Speaker: Oh. Interviewer: Bu-- in Northern-Ontario. Speaker: I find that back-packs are bigger. I just call that like a packsack or a knap-sack. Interviewer: Yeah we- we're- we're the only people. Like Northern-Ontario is the only people, I swear to God, that call it a packsack. Speaker: Oh yeah? We called it a school-bag up until probably grade ten 'cause you use it only for school.

Interviewer: What would you call that object? Speaker: A bag? A bag-pack? Interviewer: What? Speaker: A bag-pack? Interviewer: A bag-pack? Speaker: Yeah. Interviewer: Really? Speaker: A bag-pack yeah. You don't call it? Interviewer: You wouldn't call it anything else? Speaker: A knap-s-- I-don't-know, knap-sack, I-don't-know, school-bag? Interviewer: Or packsack? Speaker: Packsack? Interviewer: Do you not call it a packsack? Speaker: No. Interviewer: Like almost everyone in Northern-Ontario calls it a packsack. Speaker: I don't call it a packsack.

Interviewer: Um just for example like, what would you call this object here? Speaker: That's a knap-sack. Interviewer: You call it a knap-sack? Speaker: Yeah, what you call it? Interviewer: Well most people in Northern-Ontario call it a pack-sack. Right? Speaker: Oh. Okay. Interviewer: Did you- did you call it a pack-sack (inc) or a knap-sack? Speaker: I think I call it a knap-sack.

Interviewer: Alright, for example, what would you call this object here? Speaker: Knapsack. Interviewer: Knapsack? Speaker: Yeah. Interviewer: Okay. Which would associate you more with an older generation then, 'cause most people in Northern-Ontario call it a packsack. Speaker: Yeah, j-- yeah. Interviewer: Whereas people in Southern-Ontario would call that backpack. Speaker: That's interesting.