A sawyer would know how to do that- or how to read that scale.

And that's a sawyer's rule. For measuring logs in a pile.

The thirty businesses- there was postmaster, merchant, contractor, carpenter, carding-mill, boat and shoe-maker, asher, I have carding- flour-- flour-miller, sawyer, hotel-keeper, blacksmith, tailor, undertaker, tanner, and courier, and commissioner for taking oaths, a milliner, a cabinet-maker, farmer and shingle-operator.

Well, same as having a sawyer's, and the- the- the corn-cutters-

Speaker: They'd either come on a chain and go to the sawyer, or there'd be a trolley come down and you load five or six logs and you pull it up. And the sawyer cut them, and then you- you got the lumber there.

Speaker: It was like ah- people were soaping windows and breaking windows of the guys who were working- Interviewer: Really? Speaker: Because they were what call scabs. Interviewer: Scabs. Speaker: Yeah tha-- that's what they called the guy who went to work when they were on strike. It was even worse in Kirkland-Lake of course.

Interviewer: You had mentioned "scab" earlier, is that- is that a universal thing or is that more of a northern Ontario or Timmins thing? I'm not sure how you'd use it. Speaker: Well, I think, ah, the word "scab", ah, has always been used in- in the labour movement.

This guy was management so they- he- in those days you were classified as a scab if- because you went to work when the guys were on strike. So, he was stuck, my dad went over to ah, help him. Well, these guys, you-know, they wanted to fight, they wanted to do everything because you're helping a scab. Neighbour comes first, family. Neighbours and family.

...it was just a lot of fun. Like, it was one of those typical neighborhoods where, like, you came home from school, and scarfed-down your food and then you just ran out and there was some game going on and you joined it, and you came home when it was dark...

Maybe you spell out schlockey or-something or hockey, anyway you- and then you tap sticks each time. And then on the third tap you fight for the puck and at either end, there's a little tiny goal that you have to get the stick in- or the puck through.

Speaker: Yes, I remember schlockey. I played that too. Interviewer: Explain what schlockey is. She's never heard of this. I've never told her about it. Speaker: Okay, you have- I-don't-know how- what size it is, we'll say about as long as this table.

Speaker: Should have brought it to your next school. Tell them how to build it. Interviewer: I tried. But anyway. Speaker: That's schlockey for you.

And then, and then you work from seven 'til nine, you-know, or you have a cocktail party, you go schmooze with a thousand people, and then you-know, and you teach them how to dance, do the little, you-know square-dancing, and the Macerana.

So she'd make it and she'd put it over there- over to you there, and you rolled it up in a piece of newspaper. And put it in your schoolbag. No lunchbag, no no. And you pushed it down into the schoolbag. Well, she'd put a few cookies in. No- no r-- layer cake. None, no, no. And you could go down the side in the wintertime and you get some apples. And you stick them in the schoolbag and you're out and there be two sitting in one seat. Well you'd squash that between yous 'til dinnertime and then you'd take it out and eat it (coughs).

Interviewer: Ah what did you keep in the desks? Speaker: All the books- the different books we used, all our books for- and um um well, you usually kept your lunch in the schoolbag; some kept it in their seats, some hung it with their coat at the back.

Interviewer: So then like, what would you call this object here? Speaker: Um when I was younger I used to call it a school-bag, but now it's, like, a packsack. Interviewer: Right.

Interviewer: Like Northern-Ontario is the only people, I swear to God, that call it a packsack. Speaker: Oh yeah? We called it a school-bag up until probably grade ten 'cause you use it only for school. Interviewer: Right. Speaker: Now I- Kyle calls it, I think, a back-pack. I call them packsacks.

Speaker: A bag? A bag-pack? Interviewer: What? Speaker: A bag-pack? Interviewer: A bag-pack? Speaker: Yeah. Interviewer: Really? Speaker: A bag-pack yeah. You don't call it? Interviewer: You wouldn't call it anything else? Speaker: A knap-s-- I-don't-know, knap-sack, I-don't-know, school-bag? Interviewer: Or packsack? Speaker: Packsack? Interviewer: Do you not call it a packsack? Speaker: No.

Interviewer: What would you call that object over there? Speaker: A back-pack? Packsack? Interviewer: Packsack? Speaker: (laughs) Well, it is. Interviewer: Packsack is a Northern-Ontario thing. Speaker: Not school-bag I guess? School- Interviewer: Only people in Northern-Ontairo call it a packsack. People in Southern Ontario do not call it a packsack.

Interviewer: The bag you bring to school and put your books in, what do you call that? Speaker: Backpack. Interviewer: You call it a backpack? You don't call it a packsack? Speaker: No. Interviewer: Do you have friends who call it a packsack? Speaker: No, I have, ah, friends that call it a schoolbag. Interviewer: Okay. Anyone- no one calls it a packsack? Speaker: No.