And they- pants on and hard to get people to wear braces to hold their pantses up to their crotch, 'cause of their- crotch was at their knees, they couldn't walk, you-know-what-I-mean?

They would answer to- to Nina, not to Antonina, unless you were in trouble. You get the full name out. I- I feel that I had a rich bringing up, because living here on Danforth, even though it was quite tight-knit with the community, it was also because you were right in the city, you were able to experience a lot of things that made you go beyond the Italian experience, you know.

But other than that, ah that gives you a run down ah of my schooling, my bringing up in Schumacher, my ah commitment to the community. I've been involved with so many things now it's unreal when you come down to it. I wrote a resume one time, I wrote it out and I couldn't believe it. I did all those things?

Speaker: And then he came to Canada and he didn't decide he wanted to be that at all. How he exactly got going in- in the painting, I don't really know just what took place there. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: But um, it's kind-of sad that we didn't know more about our dad's bringing up, eh? Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: He was very very well-educated. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: And ah apparently he knew the spices. He could make a- a paper- my mother- my mother would tell us that he could make a paper bag that would hold water.

...ah in the British Navy ah ah Doctor-John-Flowers, he was a- had a thick Scottish brogue and, he wrote me a letter of recommendation because I was a little underage...

We have a Madawaska-Valley brogue. And you probably think I speak different.

Speaker: I don't really remember milking the cows that much before I came home but I remember one time he had to go out and he had a- a brood sow that had- that had our little piglets. Interviewer: What did he have? Speaker: A- a sow. Interviewer: Oh. Speaker: A brood sow.

And my dad did what you call custom hatching of eggs for all kinds of other farmers because they didn't want to be bothered with the time or didn't have the building and the facilities with a brooder stove and the whole kit-and-caboodle, so-

So I- I liked fishing for- for trout and splake and speckerel and- and he started to get me into ah ah brook trout as well.

Speaker: We fished a lot. Ah, I never did hunt but we- we- we brought home, ah, brook-trout for- for- for supper. Interviewer: So what was the best catch you ever got? Speaker: Ooh, the best catch. Probably about four or five brook-trout.

Speaker: Now what's this new sport with the idea of knocking a ball around. Is it called broomball or what?

Speaker: Ultimate frisbee too um- Interviewer: (laughs) Speaker: But like um- and broomball, yeah, but those are- I'm not- those aren't real- oh and baseball-

I- dunno what else we did. We did some broomball, and. Interviewer: I think broomball's fun. Speaker: Yeah, broomball's pretty good.

Not- not too much basketball we played hockey we played baseball, played broomball, played floor-hockey, we played hide-and-seek, and- and had little street gangs.

Interviewer: What kind of sports? Speaker: Well baseball and ah broomball and ah-

Speaker: I played basketball and a bit of volleyball and we played baseball a bit. And then ah, I played broomball for a few years but it wasn't school it was kind of extracurricular and-that-kind-of-thing. Interviewer: Could you sort-of explain the rules of broomball to me please? Speaker: Oh, well broomball was a game that was- it was like a fad I guess. It lasted about twenty-five years. And it was big when- when we were young in the seventies. And broomball was- it's like hockey. Only thing, you played it on ah- they were almost like sneaker shoes with a padding of foam and you had a broom and a ball and it was basically the same rules as hockey. Interviewer: Oh. Speaker: And it was very big. It was a very big thing here for many years. We used to have a broomball tournament that- that iced- sixty teams would take three arenas.

Speaker: And it's gone, it's- there's no more broomball, it's- it's over, it's done with.

And they finally were allowing girls into minor hockey. So it was fourteen years after. It was a (inc) fairly large gap. Um but um no we played, like you said broomball on skates which was a compromise they said.

Interviewer: broomball. Speaker: Broom- yeah broomball on skates. Ah grade four to eight I was at Swastika-Public-School. Four-room-school, two grades in each room, ah grade eight we had four grade eight students, I don't remember how many were in grade seven I was pretty small. Um and we always had of course soft-ball and well at the time, girls weren't allowed to play hockey, so we played broomball on skates. Ah rather than, I-mean traditionally you're on boots.

Um (laughs) but um we're in the- and it was very great because it was a old um- in the old arena and as kids you didn't get to play there very much 'cause your in town there was a big broomball league and a boy's-hockey of course that occupied a lot of the ice-time and um what else would there be?