Interviewer: Did it impact you, a lot of people had you-know, extended family there. Friends of family or Speaker: I don't have any relatives in the States so there wasn't a direct impact on me, but there was a little bit of fear in the days afterwards wondering if anything would happen in Canada.

... we didn't have a cottage 'til later, you-know, so yeah then most people, no, didn't- not where I grew up, they just sort-of you-know hung out or maybe went away mainly in March Break, you-know, down to the States, that kind of thing.

Interviewer: ... but the Americans versus the Canadians? How's the pace or like the people, I mean, are nice? Speaker: it's um, yeah I 've never- I 've always enjoyed it. I find the service is very good and, you-know I- I mean I- I like the States, I really do, I really do, I think they 're- the service is wonderful, you-know, they're consumer-driven and yeah, some of the areas are going at a fast pace but not all the- when you get out into the smaller towns, it's very nice too.

... I 've seen the one girl actually, I don't see them very much, I mean they don't move in the same circles I do, and the one girl actually went and lived in the-States with her husband, he was a doctor, and she's just come back.

Speaker: We do all over. All over the- we 've done Finland, we 've gone to Finland, we 've gone to Australia, we 've gone to all over the States, but primarily in Southern Ontario.

Well we- we were the first Arnetts in Toronto, um there was um, close on our heels, well no that's not true, I think there was an Arnett before us but was a um a black guy from the States who came up and took the name, um so uh, I'm pretty sure he was the first Arnett, um but we were here um in uh, one branch arrived in seventeen-ninety-nine, and the other branch arrived in eighteen-thirty-four ...

Interviewer: 'Cause it's only a Canadian word, chesterfield. Speaker: Oh really? Interviewer: Yes, it's an original Canadian word. Speaker: I knew they didn't use it in the States. That was my grandmother's. I'm sorry ah this was not my grandmother's, but that was.

Interviewer: What did your father do when he came to Toronto? Speaker: It was- well he worked for the Lea-High-Valley-Railway in The- States and then he came up here, as an immigrant, and uh, sold shoes in Toronto for a while, and then he got into the insurance business, and became claims manager of a, firm called London-and-Lankeshire-Insurance-Company.

Interviewer: Yeah, actually we were talking about it the other day, what would you call this that I'm sitting on? Speaker: Chesterfield. Interviewer: Chesterfield right, yeah. And that's a Canadianism, because most people call it a couch. Speaker: Or sofa in The-States. Interviewer: Or sofa in The- States. So you do call it a chesterfield? Speaker: We call it a chesterfield. Yeah.

Speaker: ... my grandfather was- it was the Grand-Trunk then. Okay? Interviewer: Yes Grand-Trunk (inc). Speaker: And then the Pullman-Company which most of them worked for because the- there was ah better money 'cause you'd go down to the States a lot you- know? And then the C-N-R the C-P-R you-know. So most of the- most of the blacks were porters ah either that or shine shoes on the corner. Or steal, or pimp, or whatever you- know?

I now know why- why many people in the nineteen- fifties were upset by Elvis-Presley and- and rock-and-roll. Rock-and-roll was a southern- Black term for sex. And when it was used, people began to real-- like particularly in the States, "Oh my gosh!" Like there 's, you-know- ... And then you'd have Elvis-the-Pelvis.

... he's going to see four shows in three different places. He's going to that Gorge weekend. He's seeing two of the shows there, and apparently they're recording a D-V-D for it. And then he's going to two oth-- Marysville. Does that sound familiar? In the States. All in that area, in August.

You-know, the only reason they're not going to Vancouver is 'cause you don't have the amount of people to go and to sell these shows out. But obviously, people here take it very seriously too because even in some big cities in the States, um I think maybe they're not necessarily selling out the same we are.

Interviewer: So was he the first one from the family? Speaker: Ah no. No. The first one is Pappa's father's big-brother. Grandpa who came to the-States through Ellis-Island. Harry-Lorne's family.

And people- like people don't understand what an agnostic is, to start with. And if- you-know, they think that- I don't know what they think. But like one guy in the States, "Oh how can you not believe in anything?" It doesn't mean you don't believe in anything. It's just that you believe that our creator is beyond understanding of the human-mind.

And she was sixteen. She was the first person to swim Lake-Ontario. And it was ah- it was some sort-of a competition. And they were going to award it to a girl from the States and she dropped out. And they didn't want to give Marilyn the prize because she wasn't officially entered in the contest.

And also there's a family of Masons that made the trek up later from The-States but ah, that was one of my grandfathers married June-Maston and I had their wedding certificate for many years I think I gave it to my son, eighteen-forty and they had to go to Whitby to be married.

Interviewer: It might be fun! Okay um, kind-of on like a different topic, like if you could you-know let's say you're famous now and you're in your band and you tour anywhere or travel anywhere, where would you go? Speaker: I guess to The-States. Interviewer: Why? Like where would you wanna go in The-States and why? Speaker: Um, I guess like New-York 'cause it's the most people. I think it would be fun to play in a- front of a lot of people.

Interviewer: Like when it- if you- you-know when you're this big rock-star, what do you think is gonna- your life is gonna be like- like what do you wanna do with it. Speaker: I don't know. Um, I guess I'd just move to the States 'cause it's the thing to do and I-don't-know, I'd try and not be a drunk drug addict.

Ye-- ah yes, that, well that's Norman's story that he'll be wanting to tell you about him. Ah, he was going to university at the time in the States and we were down there. Ah he had put in a year and we put in another part of a year and then we came home, so he didn't finish, but he'll tell you all about his days there.