They had ah- oh they ah- when they started the plant they had ah all-kind of- it was started-up with U-S managers basically. From- from The-States. Proctor-and-Gamble in The-States. And it was ah- those guys were great. Friendly, helpful. Great guys, I wish they were still there.

So they- we- I- we learned all that stuff from Proctor-and-Gamble, it was great. Fantastic training-classes, they'd- they would send us away for training classes for a week or three days or to The-States for training-classes sometimes. Fantastic company that way, the training.

Speaker: Um usually come back for a month or two and then go down to The-States to work at basketball-camp, so yeah. Interviewer: Oh okay, okay. So you could really develop that accent if you wanted to? Yeah, wow. Speaker: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah the first couple days back it always seems so weird to hear the American accent but, yeah.

Interviewer: What's here that's attractive? Speaker: I think it's just the- the quality of life here. Um. The safeness you-know, easy to get around, close to Toronto, close to the States. Our son just moved back from- from Toronto. They've been in the Toronto area for almost ten years and they've moved back just because of that reason.

Interviewer: Where else have you visited? Speaker: Oh golly um Europe, several times. Love it. Um, again, like the U-K, Ireland, oh, um, Hawaii, Fiji, Australia, New-Zealand. Lots of the States, all across Canada. Oh Hungary, the Czech-Republic-

Speaker: I think 'cause my dad was from there so I'm not sure why. I-guess um I-think maybe d-- my dad worked in Peterborough or- or I'm not even quite sure, um I know that when they got married he was going to school in The-States and so my mom went down there and they lived in a little trailer and so then they musta come back to Lakefield.

Speaker: Oh men, men, men not just- and then of-course in Belleville why ah a lot of the people in Bellville used to do the rum-running across the lake you-know. Interviewer: To where? Speaker: To the States in- in prohibition times. Yeah.

T-V, play cards, we play an awful lot of cards, Rob and I. I-mean ah I- I like- w-- we play ah cribbage sometime, but we have another game a couple down the states taught us, and ah we play that a lot and we call it oh different names. But um and then we go out in the car and we do out shopping and-that.

Interviewer: It was really neat actually. Speaker: And where's that? Interviewer: Um down in the states. Speaker: Where in The-States? Interviewer: Ah New-York-State.

My father was born and raised in Belleville. My mother was born in England and came to Canada as a very young woman to work. She- her parents were dead and um she just- she and her sister came to Canada and her sister later went to the-States so and she met my father and they were married.

Interviewer: With distribution right across Canada and into the States? Speaker: Yes, all across Canada; no, not in the States just all across Canada.

But he goes to Toronto quite often and he goes to different conventions. They were down to ah mm I forget what part of The-States there not long ago the convention, still does quite a bit of stuff in The-States. And I have some nice pictures out there too and one of them Montreal, where he took Trevor with him and um his wife and shows Trevor as a getting an autograph, him and Rocket-Richard.

Yeah. Um my one friend that I lived with for all four years is my friend that went to the States because there wasn't a lot of jobs up here when we graduated so she's in North-Carolina.

I went- well yes I went to basketball camps. I went to one in The-States that was ah run by Leo-Revins, who played in the N-B-A. And we had all these you-know super high-quality coaches there which was awesome.

Speaker: Ah- ah Windsor seemed very influenced by The-States, like everyone- Detroit was the big thing and Windsor was always just beside Detroit and ah- Interviewer: How did that reflect in the people then? Speaker: Uh, (...) well they always sort-of, it seemed to be the thing to go to Detroit and there wasn't as much sort-of pride ...

Interviewer: Um, did most of the people from there end up going to U-of-T or- Speaker: I'd say about twenty-five. Ah, well, about another twenty-five went to the-States like the Ivy-Leagues ah- Interviewer: Oh okay. Twenty-five people or twenty-five percent? Speaker: Well, it was a hundred-person class so like- both. Ah yeah, the rest went to like Western or Cambridge or-whatever-else.

Interviewer: ... I was living in New-York-State when it- when it happened, so it's a bit different. Speaker: Oh wow yeah. Yeah, it was a bit dour, but ah, it- just like kind-of like sympathy for the-States that is so rare here, just sort-of came out in full force. Interviewer: Was in genuine? Speaker: I-think-so. Interviewer: Wow, weird. Speaker: Yeah, but then afterwards we got a bit scary by the- scared by the-States and their kind-of like- just taking their- that nationalism to a whole 'nother level, like the flag on every house and- it was a bit scary.

Um, I've basically toured the-States dancing. That isn't really that exciting 'cause I was working. Um, I've been in New-York a few times, for dance.

... he was an American and ah during the revolution you were either- you either kept your mouth shut and tried stayed neutral or you were a rebel or you were a loyalist and he became a loyalist and was quite a notorious- like he's well-known in The-States, if you go down around the area around Albany, he's ah- not a legend but kind-of the villain. Um, but they know h-- they seem to know more about him there then they did here.

It- just at- especially at that time there was nothing available so- you-know teachers were desperate to have anything that illustrated- and it's funny- um T-V-O and some outfit in Quebec and some place down in The-States actually bought footage from it- just to illustrate in their own films that they were doing- so it was like- a- a stock-footage ah source as well.