Imagine little girls, out by themselves, not afraid of anything. We'd go to the back and we'd see where the cherry trees had been, where the buggies were still there, the history of the f-- the whole farm. Just walking and wandering.

Well, there's no other way to say it. Um, but the- the, ah, families would gather at, ah, the farm and, of course, beautiful summer times under the oaks and, ah, buggy rides. Grandma would have, I-don't-know, an old buggy there. I-mean, it would be the kind-of-thing from eighteen-hundreds. And the kids would make their own fun, like, jump into the buggy, let it run down the hill to the creek, you-know, jump back in again.

Oh, just- he just a r-- ah down-to-earth redneck, he's a- he's ah very genuine and he just like to party and you-know, um so it was pretty ah great for us to be able to do that. I wasn't very old at the time but I was i-- I rode in the buggies and then i-- helped to look after the horses when we were down at the grounds and-stuff-like-that.

Yeah, my dad always um was a-- interested in horses and showing them in- at the fairs and-stuff and then we had buggies and-stuff-like-that that we used to ah take around. We did some weddings. We pulled Stompin'-Tom when he was in Carleton-Place through the- yeah. Ah we had two buggies, we had the three-seater that day and we had ah- I think the one-seater.

Horse and buggy in ah- until I was in grade-nine, I-guess, we didn't have a car.

Speaker: Ah, no, single, it was always ah, a buggy, so we all were in it somehow. Interviewer: That would be a considerable distance with the horse.

Yes. So I assumed dad drove us over to Blakeney, horse and buggy and we got on the train and that's- then we came home that way. Now that only lasted for a couple of years and then we had a car so he could come for us. We boarded in town.

Well you know that's something that I didn't do a lot. I don't think I ever went to town in the horse and buggy. But the team and sleigh, yes. A team and sleigh. But my dad has a car. Now- and 'course it wouldn't run in the wintertime because the road weren't ploughed, okay.

I was just going to say another thing I had here was our milk was delivered to the door, unpasteurized and we're still living and we're eighty. But we had this old lady, she came in a horse-and-buggy and she brought the milk in w-- in glass bottles, didn't she?

Speaker: Ah, no I don't think I remember that. Interviewer: No. Speaker: I remember going to school with a- on a horse and buggy.

...and then, and she was expecting uncle Johnny, went down the str-- trains station in Beaverton and there wasn't even a telegraph, a nothing, she went down in a horse-and-buggy and John-Wallace came home in a pine box.

Anyway, and ah, they sat sic-- thirteen people down at the table for dinner that night and then they got on the horse-and-buggies and all came down to meet the train coming up from the Chicago-World's-Fair with all the men on it and the horses.

Yeah. You won't see one in Beaverton. I've only seen like two buggies before in Beaverton.

Speaker: And what they call a bull cook. Interviewer: Oh what's- what's that? Speaker: A bull cook is ah like your several cabins where the men stayed in. Like sleep cabins. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: Then there was the cookery where everybody ate. Well the bull cook had to keep the- the places um clean. And keep wood- wood in there, water in there. There was no running water. It was all done by- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: Bring it in by pail eh? Interviewer: Mm-hm, mm-hm. Speaker: Chop the wood and keep the fires going and make sure there's enough wood in there for the night. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: Then you'd go and help the cook because you'd clean up in there too and ah you got to involve them with ah ah washing and trying to h-- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: That's a bull cook.

Speaker: Ah, the gold. Interviewer: Gold. Speaker: The gold bullion to the ah, train station with him.

And ah- so then I went to see the super. And ah he was very good. He even had me bringing the bullion to the train station with him.

Um better than most summers like I actually did something productive with my summer rather than just staying home and bumming around. Like sleeping 'til two a-m- er two p-m. Two in the afternoon everyday and just going on the computer or whatever. I ah worked pretty much the whole summer as a wading- pool lifeguard at a Woburn-Park.

They just roam. They never wanted to work. They just sort-of bummed off the locations.

I didn 't, um the friend that I went with had been there for a few more months than I had, but I just kind-of joined her um but I you-know I had saved up and didn 't want to work, I was bumming around Europe.

No, other people drove. I didn't have my first car until I was nineteen, so I had to like bum rides off everyone.