Speaker: Mm-hm. Yeah. But not casting. We just went to trolling. Interviewer: What did you use for bait? Speaker: Nothing. If you troll- or d-- when we were there, which was a long time ago, you just threw a spoon in of some kind.

Speaker: "Ice-fishing? How do you do that?" "I know we just troll a little." So he says, "Okay okay. So he got one of the guy- Paul-Malone, who used to be- Paul? I think it was Paul, one of the boys from Kirkland here. Was his cartoonist for one of his books he wrote, he said ah- he drew a cartoon of us out in our boat, our regular water-boat on top of the ice. Interviewer: Trolling. Speaker: "Head for shore I think we caught enough" it said the caption above it.

Oh I can remember, see little Kennis-- Kennisis-Lake's named after little Joe-Kennisis um who was an Indian and I can remember getting up with the old guys to go out there and fish. And you would have to troll like- When you troll for fishing. And um, I never caught the fish but they said I did okay with trolling but I can go to Percy-Lake and I used to go with my mother and fish with her up there.

Interviewer: Yeah. And did you- when did you start fishing? Speaker: Um, with my father what we used to do is, we would start here in a small little boat 'cause we didn't have a whole lot of money and, ah, my dad would actually row us around the entire island and we would troll and, ah, I remember usually catching two or three fish by the time he rowed around the entire island.

Ah I haven't seen him in a while. I seen him like once one night. Was like- maybe like a couple months ago. I seen my friend truck-fuck him in the head with a skateboard.

...gig for six-months going up and down the coast of British-Columbia and the guitar player of his band quit because there was illness in his family and the company that had hired them wouldn 't let them hire a replacement guitarist so they turfed them out and so he had- he had to- had to come home.

Speaker: Well pretty close. I haven't stole anything but ah- anyways it was a- it was all fun and games. Interviewer: What happened after that then? Speaker: Well I got turfed out as chairman of the Ontario-Northland-Railway. You-know, needless to say and the ah- the boss ah Ben-Dumars called me in and he said, "Elliot," he says, "You-know, for being an honest-" This is the words exact words, "For being honest and forthright, I'm going to have to ask for your resignation as chairman of the Ontario-Northland-Railway."

So Jasper is- not because he Jasper, but he's pretty smart, he's- can turn a tan to most things. So we decided we'd get a house built.

They have an excellent work ekth-- ethic. I think, you-know. They have no fear to turn their hand to something or try. Failing is not maybe an option but if you do it's not the end of the world. Life goes on. As compared to city kids, um, I don't know I- I- I just think the boys probably might be a little more confident than some.

They learned how to ride and care for them. We had the meat birds so they learned how to kill, clean and freeze that-sort-of-thing. You-know, I mean, they can turn their hand pretty much to anything they want to.

And then later on at six-o'clock the- come back down through to- to Port-Hope again from Peterborough. The trains tro-- turned around in Peterborough all the time. They had a turntable in Peterborough and ah, they used to turn the- turn the engine around. Interviewer: Turn the r-- so they could go back the other away. Speaker: Yeah so they could go back the other way.

Speaker: Eldon- Eldon township there's- all chopped up with- with ah railroads that went through here. There was one right down here. That's the one that came up through ah Markham, Stouffville and Uxbridge and went to Coboconk. Interviewer: Oh okay. Speaker: And then there was a turntable. And ah- and the quarry at Kirkfield you see that- they shipped everything on that line up until ah sixties I guess.

And here it wa-- it was a gay bar, the fellas and girls all dancing together, and I didn't twig until I tho- - suddenly thought "What are these guys doing? They're kissing."

So you-know (laughs), the littler girls would be you-know, I can't remember if we were apes or actually humans but they would do like really weird things like make us hang from a tree and whip us with a twitch (laughs) like really weird…

Speaker: But I-mean they didn't do anything really wrong except for whip us (laughs) with twitches. Interviewer: What's a twitch? Speaker: A really thin branch off a tree, like really thin.

Speaker: And ah, you-know, like short-form words like, I don't know how- ah, I'm just thinking of- right now I'm just thinking of- of like, our radio stations that- that ah, outline all their programming in- in- in like six packs and two-fours and I'm wondering how common a two-four- or like May-two-four-weekend that's sort-of is a- language is like down south. Interviewer: Yeah, well, yeah, l-- like I think two-four is just a Canadian thing.

Interviewer: Is there any- is there any spet-- specific lingo or words that you think are ah unique to Northern-Ontario or the Timmins areas that come to your attention? Speaker: May Run. Nobody knows what May Run is. Interviewer: Right. Speaker: Okay. Maybe they know what a box of two-four is after you've gone to university (laughs).

Speaker: ... the mid-sixties, there was no alcohol allowed for ah sale at any dances or-anything-like-that. Interviewer: Right. Speaker: During prohibition- well it wasn't total prohibition, but it was- you couldn't- Interviewer: Right. Speaker: Have a dance and have booze out. So, the guys would buy a case of two-four, put it in the back of the car, throw a coat over it, and then during the evening they'd say "I'm going out for a cigarette." Well you knew the guys were all going to have a beer.

Funny, now that you say that, now I just remembered. From what I understand ah May Run is actually a Northern-Ontario, Timmins term as well. ... Because they say two-four weekend down south.

I never went to any, any high-school like after-school type-thing