And also I remember Marnie saying that ah, 'cause they had- she had a whole cupboard full of silver, whole- you can imagine she would- she hired a man to clean it. He got fed up cleaning it and he- he shellacked it. Interviewer: What's shellacking? Speaker: It's like a varn- a clear varnish type-of-thing. Interviewer: So he didn't have to polish it anymore, it will just ruin the value of the- Speaker: Absolutely, right.

Speaker: So none of the kids would ever climb down 'cause they 'd be afraid, but I was pretty daring- and I could like jump from like the third level down to the first and that would like be pretty good to escape anyone that was trying to tag you.

So he whenever he caught you and tagged you three times in the b-- back then you had to join the group in the middle. Well, this would go on and when they caught you, if you laid down on your back so they couldn't tag you and- kicked and thrashed and punched and so on, you could lay there as long as was possible and they had to have a whole gang to- to get you. So you got the weak ones- it was like survival of the fittest.

Speaker: 'Cause people be like "Ah do you know who's it?" and then they'd come up and tag you and it's just like "Ugh, should have been paying attention." Interviewer: Yeah see we knew that either as monster tag or family tag, that's what we knew those as, but- Speaker: Or ghost-in-the-graveyard. But that was mostly not at school, that was at night.

Interviewer: Kick-the-can? Speaker: Yeah, it's like a tag game. Interviewer: Oh. Speaker: Yeah you play with a group of people and you have the can in the middle of yard and one person's it. And i-- and- when they tag you, you have to go to home base. But the c-- can is there. Somebody comes and kicks the can, everybody who's in home base gets free. Interviewer: (Laughs) Speaker: So we would play that a lot 'cause there was lots of kids in our neighbourhood.

Speaker: Anti-I-Over. Interviewer: Antie-I-Over. I've- that's- that's- explain that. Speaker: Well you'd throw the ball you-see and 'course you start running and if the guy who caught it, he had to tag you, meet me around the school. So whoever ended up with the biggest team you-see, won it. Interviewer: What a fun game. Speaker: And you never knew where this ball was going to come 'cause you had to through it over the school well.

Oh yeah, well, yeah there was a lot of people. I-don't-know if there'd be five hundred ah there was a lot of I-don't-know there was probably a good hundred fifty or-something-like-that. And there was tents and bonfires and tomfoolery I-don't-know just messing around and having a good time, like it was ah it was fun, it was like a carefree night where you have that license from everybody. It almost seemed like a license from the entire society just to get drunk and act- act like a dummy.

Interviewer: What- what kind of things could happen on a bus that would- Speaker 45: Oh lots of tomfoolery that's still the tomfoolery today but you can't do anything about it. Back then they used to- You know throwing apples out windows or, you-know- They used to smoke and-everything back then.

nd it w-- is in hunting season, I was stand (inc) f-- for a deer. And the dogs were in the bush tonguing. Tonguing means barking

nd it w-- is in hunting season, I was stand (inc) f-- for a deer. And the dogs were in the bush tonguing. Tonguing means barking...

Speaker: Yeah, well um there's- you-know when- there's- there's an adrenaline that goes with the dogs when they're- they're d-- tonguing like and chasing the deer or-whatever or a bear or rabbit. Sometimes you don't always know what they're chasing but their tonguing. Interviewer: And what does that mean, tonguing? Speaker: Tonguing means um, chasing. Like you-know they're- they're- they're- they're chasing something and ah so we call it tonguing. And ah they would um you-know as get closer or further away you'd listen to it- you-know so you'd know well- so- so not too far from them so maybe they'll get a whack at that d-- at the deer or-whatever kind-of-thing.

But back in that day, you-know, my mom was pregnant. Ah, and so forth, I-mean it was a tough go.

And he started farming and it was a very tough go for them. Then they started working in the bush.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah its like I think its funny, I don't know where- I don't know where it comes from. And there's just- even certain things that I'm trying to think of- like things that people in North-Bay- like one of the things is like "townies". Like if you're from North-Bay and you go to Nipissing they call you a townie. And then- but there's so many other variations of townie, 'cause there's like townie-bikes right, is like- like that's not like- isn't that like a type of like bike like it's a bike model. <1> Oh. <012> Like it's not even a company, like its like a bi-- its like a di-- like it's like a mountain bike or whatever. It's like a townie bike. And there's all these different kind-of- but yeah that's one like everyo-- and like when you go- when I was down in Toronto or Ottawa at conferences and I would say "Oh, like I'm a townie." Like they don't- like if you're from Toronto and go to school at U-of-T, like they don't call you a townie, as far as I know.

When you were doing b-- when you were- when you got there by bus, you c-- you came home by bus and the buses left pretty much right after classes finished. So there were very- there was very little extracurricular. That was for the- the townies which we- a term we didn't know then but um- yeah, if you were from Lindsay or Fenelon-Falls, you- you- you participated in more sports but ah for the bus people, unless you had parents who would come and get you and I didn't and most people around here didn't.

When my father was growing up the Glen-Tay would take on the Christie lake boys, and the to-- the townies from Perth

And there's just- even certain things that I'm trying to think of- like things that people in North-Bay- like one of the things is like "townies". Like if you're from North-Bay and you go to Nipissing they call you a townie.

That was for the- the townies which we- a term we didn't know then but um- yeah, if you were from Lindsay or Fenelon-Falls, you- you- you participated in more sports but ah for the bus people, unless you had parents who would come and get you and I didn't and most people around here didn't.

Interviewer: the different parts. Speaker: Well, all right, there's the bridle. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: And there's the lines. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Speaker: This'd be the- the breast collar. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: And the traces. This is the britchen. And the backen (?). Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: And this other strap that goes up over his head comes down to his back, and that was the check.

Speaker: Yes, that's just it. That's a horse and single buggy. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: And ah yeah, this is the (inc) here, and ah this is the breast-collar and the traces. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: And that's the bridle. That's just the same as- as the breast-collar- what they call a breast-collar. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Just the hitching up here, and this little tail-strap. Interviewer: Yeah. Ah- Speaker: And that's the halter for the head ...