'Cause he- he went on that spinny thing that dropped out. And the carney just went by- picked it up.

Yeah. I was like, "Good for you man. Don't let no carney rip you off."

Oh I've been like- I've been- I've been with'nother time with a Vietnam vet man it's just like a you-know we're sitting playing cards man with this guy. He was like "(exhales)" serious dude man with serious stress. And I was just like "Hey man" like "take it easy" you- know? And "(grumbles)" and it was started you-know I can't really go into details'cause we're taping here you-know-what-I-mean but. You-know you're probably gonna wanna play this for your wife or-something but ah. Some serious cats man. Like those guys are like some like serious sick puppies man those boy.

Black and silver like this with an ol-- and I'd be like stopping traffic basically like satin pants and I was like one crazy looking cat. That was like six-feet-six-inches tall walking down the street.

And my son-in-law is a- he's a pretty sharp cat.

Interviewer: Why? Are your parents really religious? Speaker: No. Like we used to just go- sometimes they 'd take us regularly but ah, we used to usually just go like on Christmas and Easter. And like, when I was- since I went to ah public-school, I had to go to Catechism-class they called it. Over at Saint-Gabriel's right behind the mall here. Yeah and it was about grade-six, we joined this new hockey-league, me and my brother. And it conflicted with Catechism-class, so out dad just said, "Oh, Okay. You guys can just play hockey. But we'll still do your studies so you can make your confirmations." But me and my brother never even made our confirmations.

Um, family of four lived next door. And I found them fascinating. Um, the Lamports. Um, they all went to ah Holy-Rosary and um, when Madison who was a year younger than I, was studying for ah her- well was studying Catechism. I used to sit and hear her so that she would be able to say all the things.

Interviewer: Right. Well, with the rise of academia, Christianity is done or atheism is coming. Speaker: Yeah, but- but then I think, you-know, all these things that we were taught basically almost brainwashed, you-know. You go to catechism and you're tol-- never explain anything. This is it, it's in your books, memorize it, okay, and th-- 'cause I had to go to catechism every Sunday th-- after church, after mass ah. Oh, I used to tell my mother I had a sore stomach. I just hated going to catechism but I had to go. And ah, you-know, to this day, I don't even remember anything we ever learned in catechism. Interviewer: (laughs).

We would have to walk, we had- we had to go to church, eh? There was, ah, like, ah, some catechism being taught, eh? And we- so we had to walk there. Everything was walking. No rides.

And then when we were going to catechism- we used to walk to catechism to Barry's-Bay.

Speaker: Always in the summer. That's when you made your First-Communion. Interviewer: Oh, okay. Speaker: Yeah because that time you were only taught the Our-Father in the school. There wasn't any catechism. Interviewer: Oh, okay.

Speaker: So we had to go to church here maybe for six weeks to get catechism. Interviewer: Oh, yeah. Speaker: For our First-Communion. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: And then for Confirmation when you were older you went again. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: And you got some more co-- catechism. But that time you had to be able to say your Our-Father, your Hail-Mary, a- an act of contrition. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: Like the priests made sure you said it.

That's the way this generation should do. I've seen so many chaps get a job; got married and tied down in a job he never really (inc). So, I worked in various car plants.

Well I was travelling at that time. I was staying in the Queen's Motel. A chap woke me up at two or three in the morning for the keys to my car.

The service went on and after the service he came around and said boy was I embarrassed this morning. There was a young chap and his wife and his child down at the back seat in the church, so I went up and said welcome to St-Thomas church.

Then I do remember particularly, you-see I left on the twentieth of April, that was my Swan song, my last service in St-Thomas church, but the Sunday before in the legion and the army and navy chaps decided to come to church and mass.

This is a good one, I'll tell you this one. I went up to the eight-o'clock service one morning, about a-quarter-to-eight and here was a chap coming down the aisle with an overcoat on. I said what are you doing here, and he said well the care-taker told me come here at eight o'clock and he would give me a job.

Well, now as far as Belleville goes, um a long time ago there was a chap, Jack-Brock who was a lovely singer, he made good I think in Toronto and other Canadian cities and um Neil-McGarret. He made good.

Well we used the old school. Ah well I remember sitting with, in Latin class, with chap who is now a judge sitting behind me. We'd have to yell at each other because the riveters were just hammering away, putting up the steel trestles with about- within about five feet of the window.

And the old chap that I had looking after the horses he was always half-mad because someone wasn't too clean and you can understand it, there was just no money, you can understand it because there was no money, nobody had money. No money for clothes and probbly a lot of them no money to buy enough soap to give them a good wash. And the old chap that looked after the horses, he was always half-mad at me, he said we're going to have some disease break out here with all those people around here.