And they um were playing- I don't know h-- what they were doing. We had an old um- what the heck is it called? Like um, used to- like a hayfork. Um, i-- it was hanging in the barn for whatever reason, we never u-- we didn't use it.

Usually put two rows on a sling. And then you put another sling together. And when you got to the barn, there was ah- when you go ahead to pull it off, it was a little different but the same idea as the hay. But it was a hayfork that you just chucked into the hay, but this thing here had to start all on a sling...

Interviewer: How'd you get it out again? Speaker: Ah, you take your hayfork up there and fork it out over the beam down onto the floor and then down through the hole down at the- the passage way there for the...

Speaker: Then we used to take the- we had a- a separate horse on the- the hayfork to ah- but the a- the hayfork into the hay and- Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: The other fellow would get on the- off of the- rope on the other end and- and pull it out to take the hay up and take it over and trip rope and drop it and pull it back down and do this 'til you had your load all off.

Interviewer: And, when you got the the barn, h-- what- what would you do with that? Speaker: Hayfork. Interviewer: Oh, okay. Speaker: There was a- y-- you drove the- the horses went into the barn with this load of hay and there was a fork thing. And it was on a pulley.

Speaker: And then he reaped it and it went into windrows and then you coiled it. Interviewer: Yes. Speaker: You had a hayfork and you made a little pile. Interviewer: Right, right. Speaker: A little stack.

I remember one time we were bringing in hay and we were- Sandy and me were up on the beam jumping into the haymow. And we were twirling round and round. Sandy jumped the right way but I got dizzy and jumped the wrong way and landed way, way down on the floor.

Speaker: And then it would go across the big thing in the top of the barn, I forget what that was called, and drop down into the haymow. Interviewer: Yeah.

Yes, I have heard tell that they came with the United-Empire-Loyalists.

Oh yes. I have heard tell of those but I never saw one.

I never heard tell of him doing any dynamite in his life.

And I- it's the first time I ever heard tell of it. But that's the only place that I can think of that it would be…

Interviewer: No? Speaker: Tell you a story. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: Maybe you've heard tell of him. We had a fellow in the neighbourhood at Rosetta there who had ah an-

Ah, the first chemical I ever heard tell was called Killex (sp) and it was for louse powder for cattle.

He 's in Peterborough now and Peterborough is filled with, for lack of a better word, the hicks or whatever. Okay and um so they had friend over and they were actually really nice, they were nice, but then I noticed that she would say certain things like, "I got no" or she actually said to her boyfriend it was something like, "Watch your mouth or I 'll box your face in" and I was like "Woah! Were did that come from?"

Okay well forget that. But I mean like we 're just talking about a city-centre to live let 's not get political here right? But okay you got Montreal you got okay Quebec. Then you had like Winnipeg. They were probably like little hick-towns back in those days right? Vancouver knew nothing about Vancouver when I was growing up. I didn 't even know Vancouver existed right? Um but um well yeah Toronto I mean ah. Immigrants.

They called anybody that- that lived out of- they can't do it now- but in- in our day when we went we were called hicks always. They didn't- they you-know they had their own cliques and associated and of course we were just one or two people because we were outsiders.

Um. I think we probably definitely have our own hick-ish I-don't-know language going on.

Interviewer: So it's just a Burnt-River thing? It doesn't spread out anywhere else? What about Kinmount? Speaker: Yeah. Kinmount a bit yeah. It's more hick than Burnt-River maybe. It's- I-don't-know.

And I don't know if it's because they're like ignorant to learning, or- they're just so stupid, they can't learn, I-don't-know. You-know, like I hate to be hard on them but, the- a lot of hicks around here and a lot of just like low-life people that just follow I-guess in the footsteps of what they came from, you-know?