So I thought will they come before the scow comes in?

Mel come out and she was- I didn't know whether I was going to get her on the scow or-not.

No my sister was- was born um three and a half years earlier um, not in Belleville but in Kingston, my father ah grew up on a hard scrabble farm at Parham.

Speaker: And ah, my older sister was picking on me and ah- the one that's just next to me- that she'd be the- one, two, three- she'd be the fourth one (laughs). And the closest to my age. Oh yeah, then they got into a big scrap and-- (laughs). Interviewer: Oh! Speaker: I was forgotten (laughs).

Interviewer: Do you remember the most memorable like scrap you had? Speaker: The most memorable scrap, wow. Interviewer: (inc) Speaker: Probably in high-school. A fellow by the name of Dustin-Dupree was his name.

Interviewer: (inc) remember a fight between you and your brother? Speaker: Oh sure. Y-- you know two kids growing up that do-- that didn't have a scrap? No- Interviewer: No. Speaker: No, but we got- we- we were quite d-- he's unfortunately passed away now. We were quite different ah but we got along very very well, yeah.

You-know, like, walking from frigging east coast to Kingston to get into a scrap with the Americans, I-mean, that is unheard of- in the wintertime.

Speaker: They were married in eighteen-fifty-four. And there is their wedding certificate. Interviewer: And you've got it properly archived. Speaker: Oh yes. Interviewer: Isn't that wonderful. Speaker: In this scritchy writing. Interviewer: Yes, yes, we're not used to that style-

So Jeff drives Larry to his house which he 's been kicked out of because he had a scuffle with his wife.

A couple that are having a- a scuffle or whatever you want to call that.

So I haven't have really any- I never had a- never had a scuffle with a teacher? No.

Sure, there were your- there were minor scuffles here-and-there and so-on and so-forth.

Or-this-sort-of-thing, or there might be a little scuffle in- in- over hockey or ball or-something.

So the referee comes in kicks my player out right? 'Cause I- I don't think there was a scuffle kicks her out, gives her a penalty for leaving the penalty-box too soon ah and roughing.

But if it's just some scuffle you-know ah call it two, and sit them out for two, four minutes, whatever.

so Nicky tells a story one way and my other two friends so basically he gets in a fight with this guy, the scuffle occurs.

you're coming from Central and then you're a- you're- you're at Queen-Elizabeth, so there was probably a few ah, school ground scuffles and-that.

didn't- the only- the only riding I had done before that- if- if Dad scuffled the garden, then you'd only be using one horse and he'd let me ride on Duke's back when he scuffled the garden.

...'cause you- you- I-mean, with C-B-C, like, there 's always this right-of-passage that you go through where you really do a lot of scut-work and, um, and you have to work those kinds of- of shifts, and it 's also- it 's an incredibly competitive environment, and, I-mean, I think I 've said this twice now...

Probably. Um but I- I don't remember you-know being t-- we used to ride our bikes all over the place and go out to the scuttle-hole for a picnic and um. Well we- we'd go- when we were in our teens we'd go out to the scuttle-hole, have a picnic and.