I-guess if these snails and these shadflies and all-that, so I-guess like the small- like the small micro-organisms would be the ones that would be unique. But none of the like birds or-anything are, I don't think.

Like they live for a really long time in the soil of the lake and then they come out and so like, anywhere near the water is just covered in shadflies. It's disgusting and so you can't go swimming for like, two weeks because there's dead shadfly bodies in the water and it's like- a curre-- oh, it's so gross. And you have to like wade through them to get out to like actual deep water, it-- so you just don't bother going swimming for like two weeks during shadfly season and then the itch comes- you get like one week grace period and then the itch comes.

Like they live for a really long time in the soil of the lake and then they come out and so like, anywhere near the water is just covered in shadflies. It's disgusting and so you can't go swimming for like, two weeks because there's dead shadfly bodies in the water and it's like- a curre-- oh, it's so gross. And you have to like wade through them to get out to like actual deep water, it-- so you just don't bother going swimming for like two weeks during shadfly-season and then the itch comes- you get like one week grace period and then the itch comes.

Speaker: Mm-hm, like if we leave any of our lights on or our house lights- like if we leave on the living-room lights o-- overnight or-anything, these windows are like, blanketed with shadflies. Yeah, we have like a power sprayer too, like a regular hose doesn't even l-- get them off (laughs). You have to have an intense one. Ah, so the shadfly season sucks. And there's lots of spiders but I don't have a problem with spiders.

I don't know. I'm sure- Lake-Nippising is unique so it's- I'm sure- like shadflies are unique 'cause Lake-Nippising is unique but it's sort-of pr-- it might be something to that extent.

But I can't remember what they're called. Yeah, shad- shadflies are awful, yuck. But if the lake didn't have shadflies the lake would be dead.

Speaker 1: Shadflies are the worst. Speaker 2: Like they're fun to step on. Interviewer: They are- they are (inc) Speaker 1: (whispering) Oh-god. They're fun to drive on. Speaker 2: Crunch, crunch. Interviewer: Well, I remember when they- Speaker 1: Have you ever almost got in a car crash from shadflies? Speaker 2: They're slippery.

Speaker: Millions of shadflies. Interviewer: Smell. Speaker: "Where do they come from?" They don't have mouths! Interviewer: But w-- what's neat about shadflies though is like, that's like a name that people in Northern-Ontario have for these bugs. But like, outside of Northern-Ontario- Speaker: Yeah, are they Mayflies? Interviewer: Like even in Souther-- yeah, like they'll- they'll call them Mayflies or- or they won't know what they're called. Speaker: I've heard them called mayflies, but everybody here calls them shadflies.

And people think you're crazy. I don't know if you ever get this but I got this when I went away to school and people would be like "Oh, you-know, what was North-Bay like?" and I'd try to describe what shadflies were, people would look at me like they didn't know what I was talking about and they're like "Shadflies?" and I'm like "Yeah, they're little bugs that kind of look like dragon-flies. They have no mouth. They only last for twenty-four hours," I'm like "You guys don't know what shadfly-season is?" (laughs).

Yeah, like to me a shadfly is just a- it's a shadfly, it's, you-know, they come every year and that, you-know, that's part of winter. And I think I thought it was all across Ontario. Like I never thought of it just specific to North-Bay.

Yeah at Trout-Lake. I don't go down to the water-front very often because of the shadflies. I don't like them (laugh) even though they don't mouths and they don't bite and-everything-like-that.

Fl-- shadflies or-something we always figured 'cause they die in it. I'm don't- I'm not sure. I'm not sure what it is but they still- you can get an itch out of the water.

So she's living with him there and Keri's here, she's going through nursing and- and she's using her hospital. And she's got a boyfriend here. Apparently, they just bought a hou-- or shampoo home. So they're settling in in ah- ah- Earleton or Englehart, I'm not sure which one but anyways they're here. Karen, I haven't heard much about. I have to go and visit my mother again soon to find out how she's doing and ah- but as far as I know, she was- well she should be ending school. Probably this year, so I'm not sure what she's up to yet. No.

There wasn't anything done for them really. They're having a- They always had an outdoor rink. It wasn't a closed-in rink, that we had. It was just an outdoor rink. And just a shanty to put your skates on in. One for the girls and one for the boys. And ah it was well, at one time we all had gas lights you-see? We only had- we only had the gas on the corner.

The Kipawa and Black-River were in Quebec. Now, I- now, most of my shantying on the Black-River-

Ah, and some- Dad shantied a lot on the Quebec side, up by Temiskaming, and-all-that.

Um, yeah it- it 's quite an interesting country as you can drive from like the urban-centres through these shanty towns and really rural areas where people still believe that if you have sex with like a white virgin then you can get rid of your AIDS.

No, he brought her with her- with ah, two little boys. One was four year old and the other one I-think is just a baby. Come up in the winter-time and made a shanty and stayed.

Yeah so ah that was a place they went in those days. I kind-of believe that maybe in the very beginning that some of those old fellows, not in our gang but probably the Middleville gang, probably were up there in the shanty. I have a feeling that they might have worked for McGinnis up there 'cause that was McGinnis limits.

Speaker: Well, I- I'm pretty sure there was a shanty at, ah, Burnstown. Interviewer: Really? Speaker: And, I- Interviewer: That close to us. Speaker: Yes, but I- I'm not a hundred percent certain on that and that's one thing I should have- should have checked, ah, maybe before my dad had died, but, ah, but, ah- and then I th-- I think there was...