Interviewer: Well I find that on Queen-Street. Queen-and-Spadina, it 's super trendy, you cross Queen-street and it 's just like scary. Speaker: Scuzzy. Yes.

There is- yeah, the wharf is south of the tracks and it's funny because we have a beautiful lakeshore trail down there- Bayshore trail, but it's just like, scuzzy little war-time houses with scuzzy little people that sit on their lawn and drink a lot of beer and get really drunk.

Um but ah last time she was in Toronto um I had a big thrill because ah I got to introduce her to my mom, ah which was really really cool, um and because like a lot of the work that I do tends to be at like- not scuzzy places but scuzzy places, like (laughs) part of like...

Interviewer: Um, what would you call the second crop of hay from the field that you get in one season? Speaker: Well, it'd be the second cut. ... That has to be clover or alfalfa, you wouldn't get timothy-hay (inc) give you the second crop. Have to be a clover (inc).

But ah we do-- we don't have too much alfalfa. I get an alfalfa now, you grow in low ground. ... But up 'til now, it had to be on high land. And you got a second cut off it. ... We ah- always put that in for the young cows in the wintertime. It's just like green grass you-know, it's lovely. Awful good feed.

Interviewer: Did your father ever get more than one crop of hay from a field? Speaker: Yes, he would get second cut but sometimes he needed it for the cattle to graze on if the- if the fall was late. Sometimes he- he cut it again and brought it in.

Speaker: And the requirements for a dairy contract were rigid. Like, real rigid. In the fall when you put your cows out on what they call second cut in those days, if you weren't careful that would create a gas and it would blow the tops right off the milk, ah, bottles, you-know? Like, they were glass bottles. ... Interviewer: And did they also look then at the feed when you were talking about the- Speaker: No, they never bothered with that. Interviewer: 'Cause you were saying with the second cut of the- Speaker: That was a seasonal thing. ... It would only- it would only take place probably August and September. ... Because that's when your second cut come along, you-know? ... But it was, ah- yeah, you had to be careful anyway because your cows would bloat on that. And if you weren't taught what- they just died. Like, they just blew up and (inc) their heart out.

And of-course that meant much more freedom and study-hall so I read the comics and, you-know we chatted and I didn't do the studying I would have done if I'd been at home so I failed one subject, didn 't get my senior- matric 'cause back then it was senior-matriculation set by the province. Everybody- you could only graduate if you wrote that grade-thirteen exam and passed.

I had my junior matriculation and that's all that you went to- the only time you went and took grade-thirteen or senior matric is if you were going to university. And out of the class that I was in, at Runnymede, there would be about twenty of us and only two went to univesity. Very few people went to university.

I attended Queen-Victoria-School. And I- and I to-- and then ah Queen-Victoria-High-School was above Queen-Victoria's- ah Public-School, at that time, and then I went to Queen-Victoria-High-School and then I went ah- I got my ah- ah matric and ah- and seni-- ah junior and senior matric and-so-on there and then ah I went to faculty in Toronto and came back and started to Queen-Victoria-School to teach.

Well I went on and got my first class certificate. A lot of them at that time are just getting your second class. And I went ah another two years. It was then ah and got my first class and I took the matric as well as the teacher's. And so ah I- I took everything they asks me to take because I thought someday I might want this and I might want that and I didn't know just what I was going to do altogether and so I took ah junior and senior matric and junior and senior teacher's- normal so-

... I didn't do the studying I would have done if I'd been at home so I failed one subject, didn't get my senior- matric 'cause back then it was senior-matriculation set by the province. Everybody- you could only graduate if you wrote that grade-thirteen exam and passed. And it wasn't at the school, it was down at the U-of-T as a matter of fact, in some great big gymnasium. Miles and miles of desks.

I still like (inc) and can still smell them. The smell in that subway. Yeah. But I went to Oakwood-Collegiate and got my senior matriculation and um- what else?

Speaker: And out of the class that I was in, at Runnymede, there would be about twenty of us and only two went to univesity. Very few people went to university. Interviewer: And very few girls, right? Speaker: Well yeah. Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: And ah so it was strictly- junior matric was it. And you needed junior matric to get a decent job, but senior matric, as I say, the only people that ever got one were those who're planning to go on to university.

... the family needed um some assistance and right after that, I joined the Air-Force. And I know when I joined the Air-Force, fortunately it was getting to the point that they're getting a little hard-up for air crew. At one time, you had to have your senior-matric, or high-school graduation, to go be a pilot or navigator. And at this time, luckily, they ah gave me an aptitude-test and I passed that and they sent me to special schooling for about three months, I guess it was, to learn all the mathematics and everything else ...

Not here, this side of the town doesn't get them too bad. I think they are absolutely disgusting. I hate shadflies, I think they're gross. Even though they don't like even have mouths or-whatever they just like come and die. I just don't like the smell, I don't like the crunch, I don't like- (laughs) I don't like any of it

The people would have to like shovel the parking lot because it was like slush. It was like snow because there were so many shadflies. They gross me out a lot. I really don't like them.

And- and the nice thing about the shadflies is they're a sign of summer and they're a sign that the ecology is as healthy as we can hope it to be in this era and, the lakes are healthy and I-mean we're so blessed when you, you-know you look around the lakes at the beaches and the water.

Interviewer: Is there anything that you don't like about living here? Speaker: Shadflies? (laughs) But even those are tolerable. Interviewer: Right. I-- I-mean even then I mean shadflies are North-Bay identity. Speaker: Exactly. Exactly. I- I guess I'd have to, um, hm, no, no, if my husband were here he'd say "The winters", um, not that he doesn't like them but that I complain about them. I complain about the winters, the cold, the snow, the length of the winters, but come on, we live in Northern-Ontario, we get to complain about the weather, right?

Ah, I really liked it. Other than Lake-Nippising kinda sucks because of the itch that it gets and the shadfly season, so- <1> So, did the shads come from the lake?