I can remember them blowing the steam out at you you-know just- just- you-know, didn't hurt you you-know it was just- but can you imagine that today? No ah they- some- some bugger would be there tell you were trespassing or-something you-know?

And apparently he was a bunch of English buggers down there and you do exactly what they say and you're supposed to read their mind. Apparently, I was told to come in Saturday and ah wash the dust off the cars and clean them all up for make- keep the sales going.

L-- and two of them stayed for two years each. And- you-know like, I don't remember us being such bad little buggers but I guess we were (laughs).

He had a withered arm. I don't know whether he'd injured it or whether he's born that way. But it seemed to bother him. Because he was like a wounded bear. He was a miserable old bugger. So I sat down and I said I want a- I had a- I got all the stuff I needed but I had to get the stuff from him then eh. That ah I got permission to get.

Because they had the, ah, old Clarke engine that was a bugger to start

Speaker: If you don't like what I'm driving, leave me alone. Interviewer: Don't look at it. Speaker: Type-of-thing- That's my (inc). You don't like it, you don't like me, go to hell, get away from me. I don't need you. Bugger off! Thank you very much. Be polite about it (laughs). Be polite about it, but bugger off. Thank you very much. Thanks. And thanks for com-- You-know, thank you come again.

... but he didn't have enough sense to go to anybody and say "hey my little brother's out there. You-know, can somebody help him." You-know. I don't know what he did. He just buggered off for the day and forgot about me. So ah that- that was somethings and- and we were in to escapades like that all the time. Like, we just- we just run around and sort-of raised ourself.

Speaker: Th-- I-think less people came. Interviewer: Yeah. Interviewer 2: Yeah. Speaker: And I-think the way the holiday fell was the reason. Interviewer 2: Yeah. Interviewer: 'Cause of Canada-Day? Speaker: People were buggering off out of here Sunday, a lot of them. Interviewer 2: Mm. Speaker: Because Monday wasn't a holiday.

And he'd lie there until you come back and told him something different. The hens- there'd be half-a-dozen hens, they'd be in there. The dog will lie down. The hen will walk right past, eh? And bugger off around it again. Meanwhile the people are right there, watching it.

Interviewer: So when you were a kid was that your job, to go out and weed? Speaker: Oh y-- Interviewer: Weed the ground. Speaker: Well yeah, yeah. If they could find me, I would- Interviewer: (Laughs) Speaker: Maybe bugger off and fish you-know? Interviewer: (Gasps) Fishing stories! Tell us some fishing stories.

Well they boarded me in the village, and they had horses and buggies. I had a horse and buggy. In- in the wintertime of course, a horse and cutter. And ah, one of the older boys used to take it and put it in the stable and go and get it for me at night. Well then later I bought a car. After I'd been to teacher's college. And of course in the beginning I only received about six-hundred dollars a year so I couldn't afford anything but a horse.

And I- I've driven from ah- not on the- not on a stage but I've driven right from Picton. Right straight down the bay to Deseronto with an uncle he had- with a horse and buggy. Right- right straight through, the ice would be so good but that you could drive right straight through, right- never stop, right straight through from Picton, down to Deseronto.

And we had every Friday- like, we had a band concert and people drove around, came up on that, I remember it quite well, a lad from Napanee would come up in horse and buggy. And drive around with the horse and- in fact, two horses. Drive around and- we had a real winter.

Speaker: No, there wasn't much traffic. There wasn't any traffic hardly. There were no cars. Interviewer: There was horse and buggies then? Speaker: Horse and buggies, but then you were never afraid of a horse and buggy.

They used to take scrap and melt it and make steel bars for buggies or some automobile. When I came there was no electric light here of any kind. All there was was five lights on Front-Street.

Well you- we usually got to the market soon after eight o'clock. It would be about half-past seven, somewhere around there and that was in horse and buggy days, a lot of it was too. We finally got a car and we didn't have to leave quite so soon. And we crossed the ice too in the winter time with a cutter.

But it was a residential area, and that's where we lived and we used to go for a drive out to this Model-City when our children were small, we had our own horse and rig, horse and buggy that is, or horse and sleigh in the winter. We would drive out to see how they were progressing with this tunnel business you-know.

For instance my father had church services in several areas and he had to drive a horse and buggy of-course in those days. The roads anything like they are now, it was all up hill and down hill and pretty rough sometimes.

Perhaps I could collect the hard wood if I could find the man. On another occasion, I remember my father telling about having to go marry somebody north of Batise-Lake. He had to travel by horse and buggy, leave the horse at Batise-lake and take the boat across the lake, marry the couple and then come back.

He- he wo-- worked at it and then he started his own out around Madoc someplace and then went in to farming after that because just at that time they started making ah ah buggies and-that in Oshawa you-know with the General-Motors. The MacLaughlin buggies was in, see, and it- so that ruled out these little fellows. See the big factories got into it then see.