Yeah it's- it's a national thing. It's from- in the States too. Um so I did ah I did a couple fundraisers for that, I did ah two bridal shows, two years in a row at the Best-Western, that was fun.

Yeah we went to Florida and ah where else in the States? When I was a child we went- I went with my parents to Florida once by car so we seen a lot of places in the States on our journey that way. But with- since I married, I don't think so.

So when you did finally talk to them, yeah they had their way and you had yours. Whereas these days it's not unusual for you to converse with somebody that's from Toronto or somebody that's from the States. And so you're communicating more often with those people and so yeah your language barrier is coming- becoming smaller.

If you don't understand anything, you become a teacher, okay? We switched. Grade thirteen in Canada was the equivalent of first-year university in the States. Christ, I heard that for so many years, it was unreal. Ah on top of that, on top of that, grade twelve. How old are you? You're not in grade twelve.

Um, it's- it's like- even though I'm talking about the States right now, we have a different banking system, we have a slightly different public schooling system. It's pretty much the same thing. It's all based off of oppression system.

Speaker: Like if I'm going to travel I love enjoying seeing Canada. Interviewer: Right. Speaker: You-know um, even the States doesn't even excite me a whole lot. I've been to the States. I've- I've driven to the States. I just enjoy Canada. I-don't-know.

That's um- the one time that I drove across Canada with my wife we decided to take the ferry with like- with the vehicle on- on the ferry to Victoria. And then from Victoria into the States. ... And then we drove actually down highway one on the west-coast, right down to Los-Angeles.

And- and it was just basically a driving trip. We just wanted to go down and see the west-coast of the States and that was about a six-week tour, that one. From Timmins all the way across Canada. To Vancouver, Victoria down the west-coast to L-A. And then we came back basically the same route.

Interviewer: Can you describe your ah trips to other places a little? Speaker: Wa-- well, i-- f-- I've been to the States several times. Ah my brother and I are avid sports fans, so we di-- we've done several, several ah sports- little trips.

Interviewer: Anywhere you'd like to travel? Anywhere you'd like to go and you can just stay? Speaker: Ah travel, just ah like I said Europe and- and ah Ireland for sure. Um I like going into the States but I also like staying in Canada. So I'd like to travel Canada more with the family and- s-- so we could all see it.

Ah as a kid, I travelled. I've been to England and France and ah down through the States b-- and Quebec. But I'd never been to Western-Canada 'til I started traveling for work.

And then, for work, I've travelled to the west-coast, and I've travelled to- to Northwestern-Ontario, and down through to ah Nevada and through the States, but haven't been any further than that.

Ah I can still travel to Toronto and go see the big shows, I can still travel to the States and see the big shows. So there's nothing stopping me from that. Ah flights- might be nice to have a flight that was reasonable.

Yeah, New-Zealand and Australia leaps and bounds ahead of us. Um, the States st-- slowly starting in the school system which is really- really, really cool too as well like that is where is should be.

Oh yeah, we've been to a lot of places in the States, like um, Florida.

Interviewer: Did you get a chance to travel when you were growing up? Speaker: Um, back and forth to Sudbury to visit Dora and Toronto couple of times, North-Bay, Nova-Scotia, been to the Sioux. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: Ah, been to the States. Interviewer: Oh yeah? Where? Speaker: Just like Sioux, Michigan.

Speaker: And so I had no- no debts when I graduated. Interviewer: Great! Speaker: And ah when I look at today you-know how- Interviewer: Yeah. Speaker: How ah- Interviewer: It's a lot- lot more expensive. Speaker: Yeah and how kids- now I read like in the States the ah- it's like when by the time they get out of university they- they got a mortgage (laughs). It's not a house.

And his uncle's were- two of his uncle's were killed in the mafia in the States.

Interviewer: Do they all say the same thing, like do most people plan to stay or at least come back? Speaker: Ah, well some people want to go and like go to the States and- ... And they want to go like far away and then some people don't even want to go to school, they just want to start working for the town and-

My parents would rent a tent-trailer, we never owned one and we'd go, um- we'd go two weeks every year and sometimes we'd take friends, like a friend with us- ... And so we would go down like though Southern-Ontario or into the States and- ... Camping different places, yeah.