No, we were- I was in grade ten and I spent time away from home and-things. And you-know it was a time when- they followed us across Canada with ham radios. There were no cell phones or-anything-like-that. And even to call home was difficult because it cost money you-know long distance was expensive and there was pay-phones and-things-like-that.

Speaker: See, here's the different- here's the different attachment th-- ah, this is called a collar and hames. Interviewer: Uh-huh. Speaker: And this is called the Dutch-c-- or, the breast collar. Interviewer: Hm. Speaker: Goes around under his neck, there, and- and this strap holded it up from falling down under his feet.

First thing you put on was the collar. And then you put the hames, throw them over their back and buckle the hames on, belly-band, surcingle or two between the legs- front legs and the belly-band went through it and you buckled.

Interviewer:And what did the driver hold? Speaker: Their lines. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Ah do you know the names of- the name of any of the other pieces of the- of the harness? Speaker: Harness- there was a collar, and um- and ah, hames, the hames were attached to the- to the traces that hitched to the buggy. And then there was the back pad- but I don't know what that's called around. And then um- the tray- ah, no there was ah- another affair attached to the shafts, too.

... we had one friend- the guy that we were with is gay and he has AIDS so he has one of these um, licenses to smoke pot or whatever and he was in the beer tent having a beer and smoking a joint and some guys were like, so hammered and started picking on him because he's very openly gay and started picking on him and were bugging him for smoking pot and all this stuff ...

Interviewer: That was the whole argument, that no-one was spending money when the- New-Groove was playing ... They'd just buy a beer and sip it and listen all night. Whereas Mike brings out people who Speaker: Get hammered and Interviewer: Yeah. "Yeah Stevie- Wonder!" "I love that song!" Yeah so, which is probably true. ... You- you-know people like get all excited 'cause they play Outkast you-know so?

Interview: What was it like sleeping in a classroom with ah thirteen other guys and two coaches? Speaker: It was funny. Watching our coaches come back late nights, not super-hammered or-anything but drunk nonetheless. Ah ah them being mad at us 'cause we were still awake.

All along there was like little beach parties. Little fire locations. Cops always come and bust it though, by eleven (laughs) when you're hammered and (inc). You do stupid things when you are young right? Well it was fun you-know didn't get hurt or anything.

... he's like my favourite manager. Ever since that night anyway. 'Cause he was so drunk all the time and he would always tell me that I would be on like garbages and I would see nothing but emptying garbages and-whatever at work if I didn't get really hammered that night and-stuff-like-that. Like he was a really bad influence. And I was with my mom and I was drunk so much but she was too so.

... we usually ah at night we either go over fishing at the bridge or we just have a fire, drink beer. Usually my step- well there was one time my mom had to walk me and my step-dad to bed (laughs). ... Oh we were hammered, like my step-dad he has this- he has th-- we call it the Moses-stick 'cause he uses it to stand when he's really drunk around the fire (laughs) 'cause he's like swaying ...

... Max ah Max-Hemmings fucking on the ah- there's like this, you-know, merry-go-round thing? ... He's on there, he's fucking juiced. I'm like "That's the wrong place to lay if you're juiced-" ... Like a whole bunch of people were fucking hammered. Fuck- a lot of the- a lot of the n-- like people that I wouldn't expect to be hammered like nerds and shit were like all hammed and shit. And I'm like "Aw."

Interviewer: And the cops stayed in the cafe was because Dawson. Speaker: They brought him into another room I think and sat down. Like, were talking to him about it and-st-- Interviewer: He was drunk right? ... Speaker: Oh he was hammered.

'Cause I went there with my friend Bryan and Tim and my friend Bryan he was like- I-don't-know he was like twenty at the time. He was so hammered. He's li-- he just comes up to me, "Kirk!" Gives me a hug and I just- he just drags me down to the ground I'm like, "Bryan, get off me. Just get off of me please."

Like even like- my friend's nin-- nineteenth birthday party we got all hammered at like the little kids' school (laughs).

Speaker: It was just a wild night. Interviewer: That's fun. Anything happen during the daytime? Speaker: Not really. I ended up pissing in the ticket booth all hammered without noticing it. ... I was like- I was like, "What's this thing?" I walk in it. "Oh well, I'm going to the bathroom here." Then I found out later it's the ticket booth. I was like "My bad."

And there's like forty of us here. Like come on man just get out of here you-know. They start like- we were all sleeping, we were all crashed. We were all hammered past straight out.

Interviewer: A lot of drinking in your blood (laughs). Speaker: Yeah, there's- there's a lot of, you-know, I can pass on (inc).... Yeah, yeah the blood of the Christ. ... This guy must have been hammered twenty-four-seven. ... That's a Family-Guy reference.

...the only one that came in on the first year that got on student's council and became ah leader of the opposition. Usually you had to be the second year. So I was lucky I get in so you-know, I got involved in student activities there. Had a little bit of ah hamming on the stage you-know, once-in-a-while.

So I was lucky I get in so you-know, I got involved in student activities there. Had a little bit of ah hamming on the stage you-know, once-in-a-while. <4> Oh boy (laughs). <019> Yeah. So you-know, we used to- we used to ham it up in school and...

Both ah for food and- and ah clothing and- and-so-on and so there was a lot of cooperation like there is today ah it's um- there were food-lines all- quite a few food-lines, there were a lot of people on relief that literally had to- nothing that- lived- lived from hand-to-mouth and they needed these places and ah luckily ah we- we were able to scrape through and- and ah as a family and-so-on and- but there was a lot of families that didn't have that support.