Ah, now as far as the school is concerned, we had, there was no vocational aside from there was a commercial department. And the main, it was all academic...ah, straight high-school course where the students...the school was divided into the lower school, the middle school and upper school. You probably (inc.) I-suppose from Miss-Miles. Interviewer: Vaguely, yes. Speaker: And ah, the process of study was set by the department of education and there were exams set by the department of education in lower, middle and upper school ...

... ah then in the lower school, there was a lower school textbook on Botany, and there was a lower school zoology but I taught agriculture as well, agricultural science and the agricultural courses ah, we taught a little place of botany and zoology.

Now there was quite a lot of botany and then there was a certain amount of zoology in the courses but there was no strong objection to them, they were taught in the lower school. Agriculture one and agriculture two and then in the middle school there was agriculture one and agriculture two there, that corresponded to physics and chemistry.

Speaker: ... and he complained and it became a thing with the department of education: nothing modern must be taught in the schools for fear of... Interviewer: For fear of words like that. Speaker: Things like that. I can remember we had a book of... One thing we were able to prescribe in the lower school, we had a little book of one-act plays that Lester and I had. And he said one girl's father came to him and every time in the play "damn" or "gosh" or "my-god" or something he had it underlines (laughs).

Interviewer: If you wanted a higher ah certificate you went to- Speaker: You had to go- yeah. You could go to Renfrew, to the model school, with just, um, well, it would be called grade-ten in high-school, now. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Mm-hm. Speaker: We used to call it lower school. Interviewer: Mm-hm. What did you like most about school? Speaker: Mm. I liked, um, mathematics. (laughs) I didn't like spelling; I was a poor speller.

We were all there. Anyway, we got transferred to the sch-- middle-school, that year, they transferred the Kravets and that from the lower school up- up- so that fell- because when we went last, there was only about four or five in that school. But- but then they transferred them, so that left the whole school full. So then ah- their lower school, from the Glen-Tay sideroad, went to- the Kravets went down, and- and- and we came up!

And that ah um, James-Halliwell that was the first school teacher in Perth, was buried just across the road from the school. Ah now they moved his grave to ah the old burial ground ah, but he taught in that lower school for a little while too. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: Yeah, so it was around for quite a while. It actu-- it, that school was sitting across where the log house is at one time.

Okay. The kids, nowadays, play school- one school plays another. There was no such thing as the Upper-Scotch-Line playing the Centre-Scotch-Line or the Lower-School. Because, as Dad said, you'd them god-damn Kennedies and Kellers and two Dades just thrown in to boot, and they're all a bunch of god-damn delinquents up there.

Interviewer: Oh yeah. When they put the casinos in. Like, there used to be some nice res-- restaurants on the- that main drag there, you know where the- that Haunted place is or what the- Interviewer: Yeah, there was a lovely restaurant there but I think it 's gone now.

And it used to be a small town when they had it called what the Main-Drag.

And they're on the main drag and- Main-Street I should say. And ah not too far from the post-office-

Speaker: Yeah. There- there were many many hotels in Kirkland around that time, I remember. Interviewer: Oh there had to be at least fifteen, yeah. On the main drag alone, there were f-- six or seven.

There were about ten on- just on the main drag.

They amalgamated and- and where the bank was is Kirkland-Pharmacy is now. On the main drag.

Speaker: And then there's also one down on Government-Road, the main drag, it's um- Speaker: Main drag? Interviewer: Yeah, the main- (laughs) the main road in town. Speaker: So you use 'drag' for 'road'? Interviewer: Yeah (laughs). Speaker: Awesome. Interviewer: (laughs). Speaker: (inc) Interviewer: Yeah, the main drag and the Mile-of-Gold. Speaker: Oh. Interviewer: Because you-know, they said that when they paved that road, they used the wrong rock pile, so there's gold in it, apparently. That's- that's the rumour (laughs). Speaker: Yay. Interviewer: Anyway, so yeah there's um there's a gym on the main drag (laughs) um and it's more intense I-guess, it's- it's more money to go to it, and you get a key so you can go twenty-four-seven and yeah, there's probably better equipment there.

But even in the sixties, we had lots of stores on our main drag, our main downtown street.

Yeah there was like a dozen on the main drag alone and then there was like the Teck-Hotel, Capital-Arms on the side-streets.

And that's (inc) and that's up the hill but- oh yeah, that's the- the main drag.

Well, she was always tougher. She's a hunter- her- she is. So she was always tougher, I-don't-know- or either that or she- she was just making brave so that she- I wouldn't see it but um- yeah, ju-- she was fine with it.

A stone church, a beautiful building and big manse.