... like so after my four years of University, I 'll go into law-school and uh, and then yeah- I hope to into Columbia law-school, but I 'll move to the States for that. And uh yeah, continue working in the States as well.

Speaker: I like Florida. Not to live in. I-don-t-know I don't think I could live in the States it's different. Interviewer: What do you notice the big d-- what are the big- what are the biggest differences that you notice? Speaker: Um people in America aren't exactly friendly. Like no one will really go out of their way to I-don-t-know say, "Hi," I guess.

Well the fact that we had them is the fact that they just- they didn't decide to help the States or else our boys would be there now in Iraq. Yeah.

Interviewer: Yeah, where have you guys been? Speaker: Um, we 've been to um, the States. Interviewer: Where? Speaker: Washington, New-York, um we drove to um Quebec-City and Montreal for a few days. Yeah, so that- it was pretty fun.

Speaker: ... the orchestras used to come to Toronto. They'd come to the Palais-Royale, they'd come to the bigger places. Um, can't think of any of them. Interviewer: Were they like, local groups, or would they tour around from the States and stuff or-? Speaker: Once-in-a-while you'd get big bands from the States. You'd get um- I'm trying to think of their names.

Speaker: No we didn't see too- there weren't that many black people. ... But um, to- but it wasn't 'til they started to come from the States and from Ireland, from the islands- mostly the islands. Interviewer: And that happened in the fifties? Speaker: Well, forties, fifties, I'm not too sure about that.

... no, I don't think Can-- Can-- a lot of Canadians went to the States to work because they 're- the pay seemed to be better there, and as I told you they went- you had to go to England to, to for, to be a nurse sometimes you'd get a certificate there or um for university ...

Speaker: Yeah, I'm heading off to college actually in a week. I leave a week tomorrow. Going down to the States to Chicago. A school called Trinity-Christian-College. So yeah, I'm, I'm excited about that.

That was definite life- altering experience in terms of it just made me grow up, made kind-of get a bit of a travelling-bug. Definitely, yeah. Opens your eyes a little bit to what's outside of North-America, Canada, the-States, you-know that whole- you-know Europe's just- we don't think of it as all that different but the way that they think and- is definitely different.

And then I would say the third would be the um, that month last, last summer with - at the, the college in the-States with all those guys from my church. So I would say- those are probably the three most life-altering events.

Like, you-know Toronto's got it's areas that aren't nice but it's nice areas are really nice compared to that of Hamilton and things like that. Yeah, um, what other cities have I visited? Um, in the-States I 've visited a couple cities. Not spent a lot of time to really get an accurate view of them in my opinion.

... Canada's a great country and I'd love to live in Canada. Um, you-know Europe's great too and it'd be nice to- I don't know if I'd want to settle there though. And that kind-of-idea. I'm going to school in the-States but I'm definitely planning on coming back to Canada.

I'd like to travel. From what I 've heard, master's programs in Canada are much better and more renowned than actually the master's programs in The-States, in terms of art um. So I don't know. I was thinking possibly Montreal. I would go to Concordia. They have good arts program.

So people didn't see it as a direct threat to Christianity or the prevailing religion, but um I think that- No, it was controversy, like people lost their jobs I know that. There was- there were theosophics in the States that lost their jobs for being that

I 've seen Americans doing it to Canadians, and it's just like- the Canadians just the same goes down. It's like, "I'm going to crush you in any way I can secretly." No I remember this prof came from the States and I applied to work with him and ah I sat down and the first thing he said was "Are Canadians stupid or what?"

Or I don't know what-the-hell he thinks he's being. Like who says that? Yeah. I can't imagine doing that in the States to somebody. Well they would kill you for one thing. So what are your plans?

Like from here like go visit my cousins in Jersey like go around all of Canada like visit every single place there can be that I like know of like Ottawa Montreal and I'd go to the States like go to Florida for a couple weeks and all that. I'd like try and visit as much as I can.

Speaker 2: Americans do run things man. The fucking States fucking runs, the world. And it's fucked up how they do it. Speaker: How they run the world? Speaker 2: They run the world. Speaker: Actually yeah they do. (laughing) You can-- you can't argue that. The States do run the world. Speaker 2: Fucked-up. The world is a really cracked-out place.

Speaker: ... and the difference is funny, my sister who lives in a smaller town in the States they do look at you funny if you speak a different language Interviewer: really Speaker: yeah they do, they look at my niece like "What is she babbling about?" 'Cause she's learning Ukrainian

Speaker: They ah got in to the networks and from there- well, not that many- Speaker 2: not computer network Speaker: (inc) Interviewer: Really? Speaker: stayed with us Interviewer: oh wow, that's great... and so there was that network then between Canada and the States Speaker 2: mm-mm Interviewer: Really?