Speaker: ... like appointed by God who set the laws for all of us? Why can't we have a vote on some of these laws, like abortion, the whole country vote on it right? Interviewer: Well the country does vote on it, we're democratic. Speaker: But the supreme-court decides it. Like in the- States too, Roe versus Wade, that was by those nine judges, like who the hell are they?

Let people vote. Like they say, in The-United-States, if they had a voting ah, like everybody could vote on the issue of abortion they say about fifty percent of The-States would be pro-life and fifty percent would be pro-choice. But to hear it in the media ...

Speaker: Canada is so politically-correct, our media just totally dominates. Interviewer: Religious- I-mean there are a lot more religious fundamentalists than there are here. Speaker: And in The-States there are foundations that can get the word out for their point of view, which you don't see in Canada, you-know- what-I-mean? Here it's just like, totally politically correct. Like I have no respect for our media here or, like the C-B-C ...

Interviewer: Oh, newspapers are totally Speaker: But of course they never get back to you, 'cause they know it's true. Interviewer: They usually follow a political agenda. Speaker: yeah, and you-know it kills me though, like, you see this in The-States too, when you see a reporter or an anchorman talking to the camera saying, "Well I've got a secret duty to the American people here. I 've got to inform them about the issues, what's going on." It's like, "Give-me-a-break! You're so sanctimonious ...

Speaker: One of the things that floored me most was they made every flight all around the world land. Like there were no passengers flying anywhere in the world. They were all ordered to land. Interviewer: Did they really? Speaker: Yeah. They were ordered down everywhere. Interviewer: Not just The-States? Speaker: No. Everywhere. It wasn't just The-States, it was everywhere. All flights around the world were grounded. And then remember there was that flight that was still missing that eventually crashed in Pennsylvania and they were wondering whether it was going to come down.

And so, I, ah, I was still looking around for something that was a bit more in print, and then my- one of my professors sent me this list-serve that had a posting about this publication called 'Health-Scout' that was starting-up in the States, and they needed writers and it was, like, a medical website kinda thing.

Interviewer: Where was the Cat? Speaker: On Bar-Harbor. It was from- in the States. Speaker 2: Maine. Speaker: Yeah, in Maine.

Interviewer: They must not see a lot of Asian people there anyways there, the tourist most be mostly like Speaker: Yeah, yeah, I think just a lot of people from Texas or people from the States or some Canadians, but Interviewer: That's what's nice about Cuba, is it's not all-

Speaker: My girlfriend is a nurse. Yeah. Interviewer: Really? So is it like weird with the SARS stuff? Speaker: Well the thing is, she got her license for the States, she doesn't have her license for Canada.

Interviewer: Oh really? That's so interesting. And was it in the States or in Canada? Speaker: Here in Toronto. Interviewer: Oh yeah? Really, I didn't know that. Huh.

It was very different than the Americans. Yeah, we had our protests, but they were more generally sit-ins and love-ins and things-like-that instead of carrying placards and being rambunctious and things, you-know and nobody got shot up here like they did down in the States, 'cause you-know we weren't like that. We had our own little brand of social activism.

Speaker: We spend a lot of time in Heidelburg. Interviewer: Is that a big city? Speaker: No, well, it's sort-of a mid- size, um for Germany, it's a university town so um there were a lot of intellectuals, and people that were, people that had come from Canada and the-States as well um to study at the University-of-Heidelburg. So there were great philosophical discussions down by the river and you-know, that-sort-of-thing and it's a very medieval town as well, so it was kind-of cool.

It's very very ultra-extreme and anyway, (...) so children with learning disabilities, yeah, there was a culture going on there, there was a psychologist, and a psychiatrist that had been to various ah institutions in the States ... um observing ah what they were doing with children with learning disabilities, how they were teaching them, how to tie shoelaces, and um how to perceive foreground and background ...

Interviewer: ... did anyone try to start a kibbutz in say America or Europe or was it something that was happening in Israel? Speaker 2: you know, people have tried, but ah not with a lot of success Interviewer: mm-mm Speaker: you hear of small collectives, mostly young people getting together and trying this in the States a lot and there were some here too, especially in the sixties ... there were ah a couple there in the- in the U-S, in the mountains near Montreal, um, what's the name of the town, the baseball hall-of-fame town?

Yes and ah, you could go over there and ride it for a nickel, you-know for quite a while. Ah, and then it went, I think somebody in the States bought it, and ah, it was a lovely merry-go-round. We all hated to see it go.

Speaker: But what ha-- what bothered me was there were SARS cases all over the place, but we were the only ones that was labeled. They had them in New-York they had them in down the States, they had them down in Europe, all over Europe, but we were Interviewer: China and Toronto. Speaker: Exactly. Because, but Vancouver's got a bigger Chinese population then Toronto does. And they had it there. But you never heard a thing about it.

Interviewer: I didn't know that. But I remember that when that happened that- I was still in B-C and they were talking about taking all the hydro-power that we have from the Fraser-River and stuff-like-that. Speaker: To use it in the States? Interviewer: Yeah.

Um, I have some family that lives in New-York and I have family that lives in um, Tennessee but not- we don't visit them just because it's too far. And I don't like the-States so- ... But we do talk on the phone sometimes.

... Adrian- I mean he's Scottish by- by ancestry I guess you could say, but he- he was born in Nova-Scotia and he lived- 'cause his Mom is from New-Jersey. So he's got the dual citizenship with the States. So we 've applied for citizenship for the States for her, and for Ireland and I mean she was born here, so, that 'll be something that hopefully will help her 'cause I mean, his family is so- like such travellers and my family are that ...

No, it was with him, ah- yeah, it was with the G-Three-band but it was with him, this young guy from ah G-I-Key, from the States, and a-