... yeah, the biggest sawmill of course it was run by water, it was Cole-Andrews' mill, up, you-know, you go up ah, straight up the Scotch-line and ah take the first side road to the right and go back in there, you-know?

Yeah, so it was around for quite a while. It actu-- it, that school was sitting across where the log house is at one time. You know where the log house is on the corner, the side road here on Scotch-line?

Interviewer: So did you use the cheese factory on Kelford's? Speaker: Yes the ah, Scotch line ah cheese factory was once bought and ah the creamer that I mentioned was on what is now Roger's road in Perth. And ah it was operated by Gaily foods during the fifties and sixties.

And before that the Glen-Tay road was closed in the winter time. It was only accessible from the north as far as what is now Miller Lane. And then it was blocked off. It wasn't snow ploughed through to the Scotch line. And it was only when a new bridge was built about nineteen-sixty-one, sixty-two, over Grant's-creek that the snow ploughs started ploughing the road all the way through.

But where I live right now was where the Upper-Scotch-Line baseball was taking place, or that's was the- called the ball diamond.

And- and the corner that- diagonal of the road there, and I don't know if it's true, how would I know, but Bart-Adams told me Scotch-Line had the- the best hockey team- or best ball team in- in Eastern-Ontario, and I know that from some of the facts that went on after ...

Speaker: ... offered x-amount of feet for a very small- all he wanted was some plots. Didn't want- didn't want money, didn't need money. Interviewer: Okay. Speaker: Just wanted plots. I was the one that was pushing and shoving to get this to go ahead because as you know the Upper-Scotch-Line is filling up real fast. And I can't picture them doing people in the (laughs) alleyways in between. I don't think that's going to work.

James-Melton for instance. He was the principle tenor of the Metropolitan-Opera, and he sung all over the world and we had him here in little Belleville and the year we had him, he had two engagements in all of Canada. All the rest of the engagements were in the States or Europe or- or South-America, but he had two, two engagements for Canada and Belleville was one of those two (inc). Well, he was the top-notch.

When I'd think about it, I used to say, "whatever brought me to this dump" I said, that's what I used to call it. I'll never know because I went to Toronto, I went to Montreal and I could have gone to the States. Well I had this agreement with this couple that paid our fare out and I didn't know whether I could be mean enough to toss them up. But no, I paid them back. When I paid them back I didn't care.

I have never yet seen the kids go to bed hungry nor go to school with ragged clothes. I must say, continually say, Canada has been very very kind to me. People say to me why didn't you go to the States, why didn't you go here, why didn't you go another place? Well, I might have done better. I was too, I don't know...you've been to the States, you know what it's like. Everything's gone haywire over there.

He was looking for something from which he could make cutlery and that was one reason he was working with different metals and process made a metal which was much too hard for cutlery and he had been working on that in the States and that (inc.) His work was known to the Deloro researchers and that was why he was invited to Deloro to continue his work with cobalt. ... So it was an accidental discovery you see.

Speaker 2: Well they did, they landed in the States, somewhere I couldn't tell you where. Speaker: Yes, I have heard tell that they came with the United-Empire-Loyalists. Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about that, but... Speaker: They originated in England but they did come to the States, that's the story I heard. Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you his wife was expecting a baby and they stayed there until after the baby was born and then they came on across to Canada.

Speaker: ... used to come to church and- Interviewer: What church? Speaker: Oh, Saint-Thomas'. Come in and see her come in and sit down and she was used to come- she was down- oh I guess she was, I guess she was- it seems to me she was down around in- way down in the States anyway, around Mexico or someplace and she came back home and she had her two children with her.

They all seemed to head for Canada. Very few went to Australia, some went to Australia you-know, Broken-Hill, Australia but not too many, mostly to Canada and the States, an awful lots went to the states to Pittsburgh, the steel works. Andrew-Carnegie was a Scots fellow and he had them great big steel works and an awful lot of Scotsmen went to get jobs with him, with Andrew. He was a multi-millionaire.

I had a chance to sell it and up until that time I was the sole operator. And I remember this fellow from down in the States wanted to buy it for his son-in-law. And went in and I...to see the manager of the Bank-of-Commerce.

Speaker 2: I would say without you telling me, you probably came here from England. Speaker 3: At one time. Speaker: Well they did, they landed in the States, somewhere I couldn't tell you where. Speaker 3: Yes, I have heard tell that they came with the United-Empire-Loyalists.

... Delora refinery was the one place in Canada which supplied the market with the pure cobalt metal. And when they needed because of the (inc.) they needed uses for it, they asked an inventor from the States who was doing work on metal to come. This man was Mr. Haynes, Elwood Haynes and it was he who developed an allow, stellite using cobalt, tungsten and chromium. And that is the stellite allow which is used in the plant here in Belleville.

... when Allen was a baby he had meningitis you-know the disease that children used to get, and they turned Allen down because he ah he limped a little bit so he went, he was taken into a big hospital in the States where doctors were more paid to...follow the professors around. He has done extremely well.

Speaker: Kingston? I have a son living there, for one thing. Interviewer 4: It- what- what river is it on? What's- is Kingston on a river? On the water? Kingston. Speaker: What's this- no I did hear them calling the name of it. That goes down through into the States, don't it? Interviewer: I think so. Speaker: What's- no, I've often heard it said, l-- is Lake-Superior? Interviewer: No, I think that's farther down. I don't think it's that far. Speaker: I couldn't tell you.

Speaker: And take it- fr-- from down across the line here. They're over here, tourists in the summertime all up to that country. We cross here in the fall hunting. Way up through the- Interviewer: What- what do you mean across the line? Speaker: Ah in the States. Interviewer: Mm-hm. Speaker: With moose hunters an awful lot of us come over moose-hunting. Interviewer: Mm. What state are they- ? Speaker: W-- well it's states just along the border. New-York-State and down across.